Hartmann: claims vs. victories

[FalkeEins]

Originally Posted by HGabor

Did Erich Hartmann claim any victories over Hungary AFTER December 9, 1944? If so, exact details (date, location, local time) plz?
Thanks,
Gabor

I./JG 53 was in Veszprem until 15 March 45. Hartmann was Kommandeur. His Rottenflieger Sommavilla has left an account of his 337th on February 4.

[HGabor]

An interesting and very intense day. Too bad, not much details on his claim, only as 'Yak-9'.

337 4.2.1945 - Yak-9 Stab I./JG 53 - OVERCLAIM? - in Veszprém area?

This day the 17 VA (3rd Ukrainian Front), which was operating in the Veszprém - Székesfehérvár - Lake Balaton area lost:

1 A-20G-36-DO 'Boston', downed by Hungarian Bf 109 fighters (17 VA, 244 BAD, 861 BAP, S/N: 43-10075, Lt. Shuvaev crew) near Sárkeresztes, but crashlanded at Zsámbék, Budapest-W.
2 IL-2m3 (951, 989 ShAP, plus a 3rd IL-2m3: No.1874886 was badly damaged, but repaired in 17 VA, 306 ShAD, 672 ShAP.)
3 La-5FNs (two 848 IAP La-5FN in dogfight, one 116 IAP La-5FN in accident, plus two 194 IAD La-5Fs written off (No.39215033, 39215251) as a result of PREV. DAYS'(!) actions.
NO Yak loss this day in 17 VA!!!

(Very intense tank-battle in the Székesfehérvár-N area for the city, dozens of soviet M4A2(76)W Shermans lost in the 3 UF, 1st Guards Mech. Corps to Panther Ausf. Gs of I./Pz.Rgt 24. Desperate street fights in Buda, in the Western, hilly side of Budapest - Citadella and the Royal Castle area.)

17 VA, despite of the very heavy dogfights (eg. on February 4, 1945) in the Székesfehérvár-Csór-Sárkeresztes area, lost only 1 (Tbilisi-built) 659 IAP Yak-3 in dogfight (S/N: 310137) on February 20, 1945 near Baracska in the whole month!!!!! Several Bf 109, Fw 190 claims, but only a single Yak-3 loss in dogfights in the entire month of February... Another Tbilisi-built Yak-3 (also from 659 IAP) went missing (MIA) near Esztergom the day before on a recce. mission on February 19, 1945 due to engine problem. (S/N: 310155, not combat related)


5 VA (2nd Ukrainian Front) was focusing on the Budapest area. On February 4, 1945 they lost:

3 IL-2m3 (130 and 131 GvShAP)
2 La-5FN (92 IAP, 178 GvIAP)
1 La-7FN (179 GvIAP)
2 Yak-9 (31 GvIAP)

Same list by cause:
Flak: 1 IL-2, 2 La-5
Fighter: 1 IL-2, 1 Yak-9
Unknown (MIA): 1 IL-2, 1 Yak-9

(List missed the single La-7 loss, but it was due to flak. La-7FN, S/N: 45210566, hit by flak over Buda, disintegrated in air, while dive-bombing and strafing German defence positions. Gv.Ml.Lt. Lebedev was KIA.)

5 VA, 6 GvIAD, 31 GvIAP Yak-9, S/N: 1515321, lost at 12:50 local at 4500 m, while patrolling at Budapest-W, 5 km. 6 Yaks vs. 8 Bf 109 near Csepel-island, crashlanded at Rákoscsaba. Pilot, Gv.Lt. Ivan Andreevich Yangaev, injured, taken to field-hospital in Isaszeg. His leader, Vidanov was MIA.

5 VA, 6 GvIAD, 31 GvIAP Yak-9, S/N: 2015350, lost at 12:50 local. 6 Yak, supporting soviet troops in Buda, combat with Bf 109. Pilot, Gv.Ml.Lt. Petr Yakovlevich Vidanov was MIA. His wingman, Yangaev crashlanded and got injured.

Without the details of Hartmann's late claims, it is very difficult to compare records.

Gabor

[HGabor]

17 VA fighters and ground attack plane(s) lost in dogfight on February 4, 1945:

17 VA, 194 IAD, 848 IAP, La-5FN, S/N: 39215046, '46', lost in the Sárkeresztes-W area at 16:00 local at 2000 m, 6 La-5s in combat with Bf 109s, flak. Pilot, Ml.Lt. Vladimir Zacharovich Voronov was MIA.

17 VA, 194 IAD, 848 IAP, La-5FN, S/N: 39212754, '54', lost in the Sárkeresztes-W area at 16:00 local at 2000 m, 6 La-5s in combat with Bf 109s, flak. Pilot, Ml.Lt. Boris Petrovich Lazarev was MIA.

17 VA, 136 ShAD, 989 ShAP, IL-2m3, S/N: 11532, '27', lost in surprise fighter attack of 2 'Fw 190's from the sun over their own airfield at Kiskunlacháza, Budapest-S. Ml.Lt. Ivan Alexeevich Dzhanaev - Sgt. Angilenko crashlanded at airfield, gunner badly injured. Engine was later re-used in another plane, so only AC frame was written off, engine serial not mentioned.

Probably none of these dogfight losses was lost to Hartmann as 'Yak-9'.

(By the way, famous Spanish IL-2 pilot, Lt. Celestino Martínez Fierros (№19353, KIA) flew in the same, '3-stripes' IL-2 regiment (989 ShAP) and was lost to flak on March 9, 1945 in the Káloz area in his IL-2, S/N: 10586, fuselage No.'19'. He joined the soviet AF after the Spanish civil war, and was killed in Hungary in the spring of 1945 in the 3rd Ukrainian Front, 17 VA, 989 ShAP. See tail markings of their unit.)

Gabor