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Old 14th February 2020, 13:22
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Re: SB2C aerial victories - Pilot names?

Credits to SB2C drivers and backseaters:

LT Robert Brownwell Parker // VB-19 // 3.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LT Allen Lee Lewis // VB-14 // 2.166 // 0.000 // 1.666
LTJG Samuel Thomas Elway // VB-14 // 2.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG Melvin Antoni Mor // VB-14 // 2.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG R E Lee Duncan Jr // VB-19 // 1.500 // 0.000 // 0.000
LCDR Arthur Latimer Downing // VB-14 // 1.166 // 0.000 // 0.166
LTJG William Peter Colleran // VB-7 // 1.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
LTJG Seaman Grubin // VB-14 // 1.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
LTJG Charles Richard Draper // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
LTJG Benjamin Franklin Emge Jr // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
LTJG M H Richey // VB-2 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG John Hanley Weber // VB-8 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG Jack Bion Linn // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG George Glumac // VB-19 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG Franklin Eugene Schumacher // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG Daniel Wirt Baker // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG D W Logan // VB-11 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG Clifford Jordan // VB-15 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG Charles Forrest Fisher // VB-19 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG Billie Burke Duncan // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LT Robert Dean Niemeyer // VB-19 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LT Elmer Clarence Namoski // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LT Edward Allen Heflin // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ENS William Hugh Harris Jr // VB-17 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ENS William Harrison Bingham // VB-14 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ENS Richard Buckner Blaydes // VB-2 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ENS Edward Emerson Hendrickson // VB-80 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ENS H E Tull // VB-2 // 0.500 // 0.000 // 0.000
ENS Cornelius Joseph Haggerty // VB-14 // 0.500 // 0.000 // 0.000
CDR Richard Lucius Kibbe // VB-13 // 0.500 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG P Garbler // VB-2 // 0.333 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG J F Schaber // VB-2 // 0.333 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG D T Galvin // VB-2 // 0.333 // 0.000 // 0.000
ENS Robert Ohm // VB-14 // 0.166 // 0.000 // 0.166
ENS Leroy Lester Laz // VB-14 // 0.166 // 0.000 // 0.166
ENS Judson Harvey Doane // VB-14 // 0.166 // 0.000 // 0.166
ENS David Courtland Hunicke // VB-14 // 0.166 // 0.000 // 0.166
LTJG Thompson Shea // VB-8 // 0.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
LT William Edward McBride // VB-19 // 0.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
LTJG Cornelius Joseph Haggerty // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 2.000
LTJG James Eldon Starkel // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.500
LTJG L T Naroness // VB-8 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
LTJG J R Amussen // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
LTJG Harwood Stevens Sharp // VB-8 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
LTJG F L Braunoff // VB-8 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
LTJG A B Fite // VB-11 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
LT Leslie James Ward // VB-8 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
ENS V E Flame // VB-8 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
ENS Dale W Thompson // VB-17 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
ENS Unsworth // VB-2 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
LTJG Henry Evans Smith // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.500
LTJG F B Mathews // VB-15 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.500
LT John Magee // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.500
ENS James Otis McIntire // VB-8 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.500
ARM3c Stanley E Wallace // VB-17 // 2.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM3c Peter J Trombina // VB-15 // 1.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
RadioElec Raymond B Bailey // VB-8 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM3c Ernest Joseph Elias // VB-19 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM2c Lenny Bay // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM2c Joseph Serensis Jr // VB-14 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM2c James Francis Burns // VB-19 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM1c William O Haynes Jr // VB-17 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM1c M A Patillo // VB-2 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM1c John Abbott Puryear // VB-14 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
AMM3c W T Farrow // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
AMM3c C F Curries // VB-8 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
AMM3c C E Cosby // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
AMM1c J G Pope // VB-18 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM3c John Allston Hendrick // VB-19 // 0.500 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM3c E T McElroy // VB-2 // 0.500 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM2c E D Kufeldt // VB-11 // 0.500 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM2c A F Pierce // VB-11 // 0.500 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM3c W F Hayatake // VB-2 // 0.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
ARM3c R J Brammer // VB-3 // 0.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
ARM3c Albert L McPhee // VB-17 // 0.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
ARM2c William J Campbell // VB-17 // 0.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
ARM2c O'Neill // VB-2 // 0.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
ARM2c James W O'Brien // VB-8 // 0.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
ARM1c Wilks // VB-2 // 0.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
ARM1c James R Langiotti // VB-8 // 0.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
ARM1c H E Borja // VB-13 // 0.000 // 1.000 // 0.000
ARM3c W K Kirts // VB-13 // 0.000 // 0.500 // 0.000
ARM3c L B Widing // VB-13 // 0.000 // 0.500 // 0.000
ARM3c C S Christiansen // VB-13 // 0.000 // 0.500 // 0.000
ARM2c W J Fike // VB-13 // 0.000 // 0.500 // 0.000
ARM2c W D Crook // VB-12 // 0.000 // 0.500 // 0.000
ARM1c W F Hale // VB-12 // 0.000 // 0.500 // 0.000
ARM3c Walter F Kelly // VB-15 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
ARM3c Rober I Lemieux // VB-15 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
ARM3c Maurice E Cahill // VB-17 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
ARM3c J J Betsekas // VB-11 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
ARM3c Edwin W DeGraff // VB-17 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
ARM3c Charles Frederick Studley // VB-9 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
ARM2c George John // VB-15 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
ARM2c Earl William Ward // VB-9 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
AOM3c D C Killary // VB-2 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 1.000
RadioElec Robert N Varonette // VB-8 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.500
ARM2c Robert Lawrence Dorrington // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.500
ARM2c Robert Dean Borrison // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.500
ARM2c John Abbott Puryear // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.500
ACRM Robert Cassort Runyon // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.500
ARM3c G Bottrell // VB-2 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.333
ARM2c A E Albertalli // VB-2 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.333
ARM1c M A Pattillo // VB-2 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.333
ARM3c Alvin Matthew Pratt // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.200
ARM2c Robert Dale McClintock // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.200
ARM2c Nathan Alonzo Lathe Jr // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.200
ARM2c George Gorham Wahrer // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.200
ARM2c Daniel Seymour DeVoto // VB-14 // 0.000 // 0.000 // 0.200

Totals 52.995 // 17.00 // 32.495; Pilots // 35.995 // 4.000 // 18.996; Gunners // 17.000 // 13.000 // 13.499
These are drawn from the research of Frank Olynyk (thanks, Frank!). The BuAer combat statistics cites a total of 43, but does not address probables or damaged.
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Old 28th December 2021, 21:25
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Re: SB2C aerial victories - Pilot names?

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Credits to SB2C drivers and backseaters:

LT Robert Brownwell Parker // VB-19 // 3.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LT Allen Lee Lewis // VB-14 // 2.166 // 0.000 // 1.666
LTJG Samuel Thomas Elway // VB-14 // 2.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG Melvin Antoni Mor // VB-14 // 2.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
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Dear R Leonard,

who was the gunner of Allen Lee Lewis ?

Cheers,

Michael
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Old 28th December 2021, 21:51
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Re: SB2C aerial victories - Pilot names?

The claim was shared among six Helldivers. The ACA report did not list the gunners. His other claims were while flying a Hellcat.

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Old 30th December 2021, 11:43
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Re: SB2C aerial victories - Pilot names?

Good morning Frank,

hope you had a good Xmas.
Currently, I'm working through Barrett Tillman's "Helldiver Units of World War 2" and I was wondering which Helldiver team had the highest combined score. These are the candidates:
LT Robert Brownwell Parker // VB-19 // 3.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LT Allen Lee Lewis // VB-14 // 2.166 // 0.000 // 1.666
LTJG Samuel Thomas Elway // VB-14 // 2.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG Melvin Antoni Mor // VB-14 // 2.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG R E Lee Duncan Jr // VB-19 // 1.500 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG George Glumac // VB-19 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LTJG Charles Forrest Fisher // VB-19 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
LT Robert Dean Niemeyer // VB-19 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ENS William Hugh Harris Jr // VB-17 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000

ARM3c Stanley E Wallace // VB-17 // 2.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM3c Ernest Joseph Elias // VB-19 // 2.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM2c Joseph Serensis Jr // VB-14 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000
ARM1c John Abbott Puryear // VB-14 // 1.000 // 0.000 // 0.000


I would also like to include the Helldiver kills in this table:
https://www.warbirdsandairshows.com/...torieswwii.htm
Would you deem it justified to say that all Helldiver kills are PTO kills ?

I wish you a good Thursday,

Michael
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Old 30th December 2021, 15:52
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Re: SB2C aerial victories - Pilot names?

For Lewis, only 0.166/0/0.166 of his claims are on the Helldiver; the additional claims were while flying the Hellcat, although still with VB-14.

Elway's two victories are both on the Hellcat.

Same with Mor.

Duncan has one victory on the Helldiver; his gunner was Elias, who has 1.5.

Glumac has one; gunner unstated.

Fisher has one; his gunner was Hendrick with 0.5 shared with Elias.

Niemeyer has one; gunner unstated.

Harris has one in 1943; gunner unstated; plus he has 4 more on the F4U-1d with VBF-83 in 1945.

Wallace has 2, pilot unknown, in 1943.

Serensis has one; pilot unknown.

Puryear has one, pilot unknown, plus 2 shared damaged.

The 1943 claims are during a raid on Rabaul; all the other claims are in 1944, mostly in the Philippines.

The only land-based operator of the Helldiver was the French Navy in the 1950s in French Indo China, and it encountered no enemy aircraft.

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Re: SB2C aerial victories - Pilot names?

Good morning dear Frank,

thanks for your very interesting post !
I deduct that a team score of 3 was only achieved by Parker/Ross and maybe by Harris (if his gunner was Wallace).

I never saw a CBI claim by a Navy aircraft type. May it be that Navy aircraft by definition scored no CBI kills and that all Navy kills against the Japanese are PTO kills ?

I wish you a good New Year's Eve,
with best greetings from Switzerland,

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This topic is very interesting indeed!

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