Photo Voisin

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a crashed Voisin, possibly V.600 on the German side of the lines at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/X4577-Foto-W...AAAOSwADZe5ej3


Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Voisin Type 3 LA V.215 at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Aviation-Avi...oAAOSw0dZd8W~2


Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Voisin type 5 LAS V.1354 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/FRENCH-SOLD...0AAOSwW1FeytWq



Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hi Clint

In my books, this is still a Type III and if it thus is a LA or LAS is beyond me.
However the placing of the digits makes me think it could have something to do with Italy.....

The individuals look a bit non-Gallic to me. What do you think?

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hi Stig,


Yes, funny but I had exactly the same two thoughts as yourself. The serial would fit for an Italian Voisin although I have none higher than 1333 in that batch and the first Caudron G.3 at 1358, and, I hate to stereotype, but those guys do look Italian.However, one reservation, the placing of the serial number. Yes it is on the body of the aircraft, but the serial on the few Italian Voisin I've seen has been larger and more prominently placed.Also as you'll recall from the Farman thread on this board, while unusual, serial numbers on the nacelles of French pusher aircraft are not unknown. Oh and another thought, and I'm writing this without having checked. Did the Italians use Hotchkiss machine guns. Well, I think I've avoided commiting myself one way or the other.


Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hi Clint

First of all I don't think it is an Italian serial number as such, the number is probably French alright.

I know way too little about how things were done with aircraft the Italians imported. From the SPAD publication done by Alegi, we know that very few of those were actually marked with Italian serials, they flew on with what the French had painted on them.

Did all Voisins get Italian serials? Did they fly for some time with French IDs? We know that the Italians favoured serial numbers either at the front or on the sides of aircraft while the French favoured a rear position.
I can well imagine the French (Voisin) as a courtesy painting the French ID on the nose of their aircraft going to Italy.

With regard to the armament, I have never looked closely at that, so I know very little of what went along with the sale or what was supplied locally.

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hi Stig,


Clearly this is going to be a difficult machine to identify. I believe we may require assistance from a board user who recognizes the chevrons on the aircraft.


A fw observations. If it is accepted that the serial number is french, then the type of aircraft shown would appear to fall into a batch of Type 5 LAS according to the Albin Denis site at: http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...ete_Voisin.htm


If it is a french built machine then it is necessary to observe that Italy is not included among the operators of the Type 5 LAS in Davilla and Soltan.


However, the serial would be viable for an SIT built Type 3 LA. What is the highest serial number you are aware of for a V.13xx series machine? As I've already mentioned V.1333 is the highest I have, but frankly I don't have sufficient reference material.Edit there is a photo of V.1347 of 5 Squadriglia at:guerra-allorizzonte.it/Aviatori/fucini.html if you click on the link for 5a Squadriglia in the text. Also as already stated the serial placement and size is atypical for any Italian built machine of this batch, but again insufficient data is a problem. Do you have WDF 135? Any clues?


At the moment based on far too little information, I incline to a french operated Type 5 LAS, but would happily be proven wrong, just to have certain information.


Regards,


Clint