Hartmann: claims vs. victories

[Broncazonk]

Originally Posted by Nick Hector

Meaning that people seem to be finding excuses for a guy who actually looks like a liar.

He seems to be among the bottom 10 percent of guys whose victory tallies stand up to comparison with enemy losses.

Yeah. No argument here about that. It looks bad. I was just positing the one scenario (that I can think of) that makes Hartmann relatively "innocent."

["There is one scenario where Erich Hartmann is relatively "innocent" in all of this and it has everything to do with his wingman."]

I have Helmut Lipfert's book on my lap as I write this. (I've been looking at the photographs.) There are several photographs of Lipfert with Hartmann, that is, Lipfert talking to Hartmann. To me, it is apparent in the photographs that Hartmann would not look Lipfert in the eyes. And in one photograph it is r-e-a-l-l-y obvious that he wouldn't.

Bronc