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Old 25th March 2021, 20:40
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Re: Hartmann: claims vs. victories

Hello

I am sorry
Olomouc was in the operational area of the 60th Soviet Army.
The air defense of this army reported the passage of 14 enemy aircraft that day. 4 The FW190s were in action at 10.18 a.m. (Russian time) in the Mährisch Neustadt area.
Even 8 VA report that 3 Me 110 Russian troops stormed in the Prostejov area, towards Brno, and 7 enemy aircraft were discovered behind the front line.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find any exact dates on the Soviet side.

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Old 25th March 2021, 23:22
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Re: Hartmann: claims vs. victories

Hi BenFolk,
Hartmann took off from Havlíčkův Brod (Německý Brod / Deutsch Brod) on May 8, 1945 in order to check the Soviet push towards their airfield. He was ordered to fly this mission by his superior, so it was not just a free hunt mission eg. to Olomouc.

Brno was much closer to his airfield than Olomouc (and for almost two weeks it was already in Soviet hands, therefore they knew the Russians were that close!) and he followed the main road to there. There is no main road connecting D.B. to Olomouc directly, only the one passing through Brno, where, by the way, he claimed that Yak-9 at approx. 9:00 LT. This means that his ‘lost’ mysterious Yak-9 had to go down in the Soviet records around 11:00 Moscow Time. There was no such loss!

The 8 VA IL-2s and Yak-3s near Olomouc flew their mission between 08:00-08:50 local time. They collided soon after they left the target ~ around 8:30 LT. This means that the Yak-3 and the IL-2 (More precisely 565 ShAP IL-2, S/N: 9816, Ml.lt. Shishnev bailed out and 112 GvIAP Yak-3, S/N: 0829227, Gv.Lt. Kuzin, KIA) were already burning on the ground for about half an hour, when Hartmann claimed 'his Yak-9' over Brno much closer to his airfield around 09:00 local time. (The Ju 88 mentioned previously was spotted and reported by the regional PVO claiming 4 dropped bombs, which caused no damages.)

Considering all of this, everything that happened in the Olomouc area (The Soviet 60th Army, the Soviet 8th Air Army, the observed German planes, etc.) is completely irrelevant and independent regarding Hartmann’s 352nd.

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