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Aircraft type "J 61" - loss March 31st 1942
Luftdienstkommando 2/VI lists a 100% loss after hitting an obstacle at Dünnwald, some 10 km northeast from Cologne. The pilot Ofw Gustav Köll did not survive the crash.The a/c type is designated as "J 61". Was this a captured Soviet plane? Does anybody have better info? Thanks in advance!
Regards RolandF |
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Re: Aircraft type "J 61" - loss March 31st 1942
If this is from a German document, then it is almost certainly:
J 61 = incorrect German designation for the MiG-1 and MiG-3 fighters up to about mid-1942. I ran into the use of this designation often in the TsAMO 500 Akte 476 Flak documents and the Ob.d.L. Tages Lageberichten in both the TsAMO and NARA collections. L. |
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Re: Aircraft type "J 61" - loss March 31st 1942
Istrebitel 61 makes sense. Originally a correct Soviet designation it seems to be outdated intelligence for the Luftwaffe im March'42. The respective WNr for this a/c was 2335. Do we know more about this captured plane? The same unit lost a UT-1 (Yakovlev?) in March 19th '42 at Köln-Ostheim a/f.
Regards RolandF |
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Re: Aircraft type "J 61" - loss March 31st 1942
Hello,
The original Soviet designation was "I-200" (Istrebitel'-200), and from 09.12.1940 it was renamed "MiG-3" (2101 - ...) and "MiG-1" (6101-6103, 2001-2100). In parallel, and only at Plant NKAP №1 (Moscow), the entire production period used the product code "61" ("Type 61", "Izdeliye 61"). MiG-3 #2335 it's 85th aircraft of the 4th production series. Perhaps this is one of those that were captured in Kaunas? Best regards, Kirill |
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Re: Aircraft type "J 61" - loss March 31st 1942
Kirill
My knowledge of the Soviet production number ranges are very limited. May I ask how a c/n 2335 can be the 85th aircraft of the 4th production series? Cheers Stig |
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Re: Aircraft type "J 61" - loss March 31st 1942
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The 4th series started at 2251 and so 2335 is the 85th in that series would be the logical answer Martin |
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Re: Aircraft type "J 61" - loss March 31st 1942
Matti Salonen says I-16
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=49102 |
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Re: Aircraft type "J 61" - loss March 31st 1942
My info comes from Michael Balss' loss lists....not the only twisted numbers in those listings.
Regards RolandF |
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Re: Aircraft type "J 61" - loss March 31st 1942
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But why start a 4th batch at 2251? I take it the MiG-3 simply continued where the MiG-1 ended, ie c/n 2101? If so we have 150 aircraft split in three batches, thus 50 each, or....? Cheers Stig |
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Re: Aircraft type "J 61" - loss March 31st 1942
These are in-plant series and not the entire division of production by series is known:
... 4th 2251-2350 5th 2351-2450 6th 2451-2550 7th 2551-2650 8th 2651-2750 9th 2751-2850 10th 2851-2950 11th 2951-3050 12th 3051-3150 13th 3151-3250 14th 3251-3350 15th 3351-3450 16th 3451-3550 17th 3551-3650 18th 3651-3750 19th 3751-3850 20th 3851-3950 21st 3951-4050 22nd 4051-4150 23rd 4151-4250 24th 4251-4350 25th 4351-4550 26th 4551-4750 27th 4751-4950 ... For the plant, the Mig-1 and Mig-3 were the same model (type 61) and the series began with the release of the Mig-1. Therefore, 250 aircraft in three series. ... the I-16 plane could not have the number 2335 |
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