Unknown plane- for me

[CJE]

It's the Heinkel Hairakobra prototype!

[Tom1UK]

Hi CJE

Can you elaborate please. This is a PROJECT that I have never heard of before.

Can you give dates, description, etc

I am sure that other members would be interested aswell

Thanks

Tom Willis

[Franek Grabowski]

I believe CJE meant Heinkel Skarakobra!

[Pilot]

Thank you very much for the link on the Luftwaffe board and explanation of the reasher about the origin of the plane. To be honnest I never beleive that the image is false or the plane is makke as dummy. That was the war time and it was more easy to place on the airfield some old types such as Bf109D close to new G model then to construct something new just for this. But who know- I was not there so I don't know. Anyway this plane is very nice shaped and look great.

@ Mr. van Heuvel- thank you for understanding of the error in presenting of your image. I understand your problem as well I have it too. On many sites I have seen my material but only few webmasters are asked me for permission for use and get it without problem. Even to one webmaster I have post CD with great number of the planes for the free use. My material is published without my permission since '90 in books and magazines and still have a problem with unouthorized use of the product of my research as well material from my collection.

Problem about the false photos had grown up with the development of the image processing programs like a Photoshop. This can realy make good reproduction of non excisting subject. Other problem is that the black and white material if stored well could last very long time. In the countries of East Europe until laste decades was produced black and white material identical to the pre war and war material. Who know process he can with easy transfer Photoshop image on this kind of paper. Finished photo pour into the dilluted suggar and drop on the wet and dirt place on the basement. Image will became yellowed after a week. Then float into the vinegar and image will became cracking and fragile- like old photos.

Bevare on internet- never know what is in offer. That why I more prefer direct contact with families or veterans and direct supply of archive images. Any lab in the near can test your image and if they found a traces of suggar or vinegar... you know what you have

[Jan vd Heuvel]

Dear Mr. Bradic,

I assume that is your name because of the banner you place on your posting.

I fully understand what you mean. Indeed these photo's can be cleverly made fakes. When they are I bow my head for the very professional job the faker made.

I own very many original photo's of WW2 aircraft and assume I can tell which one is genuine original or a copy or maybe a fake. With these photo's even a respectable expert on Heinkel planes (and I assume he has also seen many original photo's and can recognise original photo's from recently made fakes) confirmed the photo's are genuine "old" photo's and that proves that the possibly faking job was done very professionly.

Mind that I didn't want to fool the airminded internet community with presenting fake photo's but was only sharing what I thought was a new aircraft, unseen untill now.

When you browse the Airwarfare forum you will see that I share many of my original photo's. Some of my photo's are already published and others will be published in the near future and I never asked a single penny for using my photo's.

And I haven't seen many postings yet with original photo's owned by members of this board !!

So I really don't understand why some members of this board are condemming me or making fun out of me (especially in the topic about Ebay-auctions).

If this is the spirit of the TOCH board I seriously consider not to participate on this board anymore.

Regards,
Jan

[Pilot]

Dear Jan,

yes it is my name but not important. I have seen a many of your images displayed on the AWF and I realy do respect your effort and from my point of view they are 100% authentic. Even more I do not undersand why people simply don't ask for sample and permission.

My previous post and some explanation is touching into tabu and I have good chance to be torn away from this board for providing such of info. Thanks God and don't know a complete process and even if I know I would never display it. Thing which make me to change my system of work is one company from the UK who had released Plug-in for Photoshop which can with easy convert image taken from Internet into theprint quality image. I read it in one issue of Mac World magazine. In this way I have completely redesign all of my web site and in the future I do not plane to publish archive image larger then 400 pixels. I want just to prevent that somebody could just take image from my site and "convert" it and them make one "original". I have allready seen some of images I have in my collection for sale on internet and they are in less quality then the material I have and I am realy doubtfull about their authenticy. But I am not expert in the field and can not give authoritative opinion about their quality.

I still beleive that image which I have display in the start of this topic is good. Thank you very much for your understanding.

Hope that in this topic I did not said anything abusing and if I did it was not my intention to hurt anybody.

[Ruy Horta]

Jan,

We are not making fun of you, nor questioning your intentions (yet).

However, since you've brought up a subject that is at best "unknown" and at worst "a deliberate fake", you'll have to bear a reasonable amount of scepticism.

If the current amount is enough to scare you away, I wish you the very best of luck and a lot of patience with your future dealings on the Internet, especially the historical community!

Bottom line, to some extend you'll have to proof the sceptics wrong.

If the Heinkel expert had verified the a/c design it would support his expertise, yet this expert seems only to verify the photos as genuine.

Again, if we even accept the photograph as genuine, we must now start to add up facts:

1. What Heinkel (or other manufacturer) design could this possibly be, there must be at least paper candidates, there must be some evidence. Lets face it, we have plenty of Luft '46 designs, some based on drawings on a paper napkin. Yet here is a complete design, a full prototype, which took up RLM resources, used an engine etc

2. What are the power plant candidates? The scope is narrowed down by the unorthodox exhaust setup. Is this really an X-cylinder engine?

3. General layout. Cooling, other technical features, etc etc etc.

I still insist that the engine looks to be placed too close to the cockpit, the fuselage too small to carry an extended prop drive shaft and what looks like some kind of air intake, again concentrated in the same area, too small to provide sufficient cooling. The same forward area needs to stow away the nose wheel. Side note, the gun sight seems to be out off place on a prototype.

Now I'll take a plunge:

Het is niet alles goud wat er blinkt...

Op dit moment ben ik zeker niet overtuigd.

Neem dat alsjeblieft niet persoonlijk op.