Italian loss June 10th 1943, Mediterranean?

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by wwrsimon

Stig

The ORB has Bates flying Marauder 'W' (the scan is not 100% clear) but no serial. Phil Listeman has FW144/M in his book.

FK159 was at one stage coded 'W' according to the 14 Squadron website:

https://www.14sqn-association.org.uk...er%20List.html

There is a photo captioned as being FW144 coded 'M' from September 1944 here:

http://www.14sqn-association.org.uk/...photos.html#14

Many thanks for all ther replies everyone. The SM.73 looks to be a good call.

Regards

Simon

Thanks Simon
Looks like MAW 4 at least is correct with the s/n of the Marauder....
Cheers
Stig

[keith A]

Superb discussion! Many thanks from this spectator. A pencil note will appear in my copy of MAW

best regards

Keith

[wwrsimon]

Originally Posted by keith A

Superb discussion! Many thanks from this spectator. A pencil note will appear in my copy of MAW

best regards

Keith

Indeed - all the little bits of info come together to solve the whole thing. Great stuff from all involved, many thanks!

Simon

[wwrsimon]

Originally Posted by Gianandrea Bussi

The aircraft s/d by the Marauder could be a S.73 of the 56° Gruppo Trasporti that was attacked at 10.45 (italian hour) and 7 km. SSW of Capraia Island by two twin engined Allied aircraft during a flight from Bastia to Pisa. After being hit, the pilot ditched. After two hours, crew and 20 passengers were rescued by a rescue seaplane and a motorboat. Chief of the crew was Ten. Pil. Emilio Bernini.
source: S.A.S. I Servizi Aerei Speciali della Regia Aeronautica 1940-1943, by Massimo Civoli.

ciao

Gianandrea

Interesting that the source mentions two twin engined Allied aircraft Gianandrea.

The Squadron O.R.B. records that another 14 Sqn Marauder flown by S/L Law-Wright took off and landed at the same times as Bates' Marauder, but no mention of any attacks made by it.

Regards

Simon

[Stig Jarlevik]

I can also see part of the confusion in MAW 4 was because at least up to 2014 all Italian sources I have copied
said the NC30015 (MM number unknown) incident happened on 9 June 1943.

They also report it ditched without giving any indication it was due to enemy action.

Cheers
Stig

[wwrsimon]

At the risk of pushing my luck, I have another Italian loss claimed by 14 Squadron on July 15th 1943, if anyone can help.

From the ORB:

Marauder FK147 'B' [W/C Maydwell]
Shipping recce
Up: 17.40 [Protville]
Down: 23.36
19.30 UCHA 4250 [off Sardinia coast?] sighted Svoia [sic] 82 course 82º 50 feet. Marauder attacked enemy aircraft from above abeam. Fired bursts from 1000 yards to 500 yards – tracers seen to enter Savoia 82. Enemy aircraft plunged into the sea.

Regards

Simon

[Stig Jarlevik]

Simon

May I recommend you start a new topic when you switch date?
In the future this little extra request will not show up if anyone try and trace its specific topic.

MAW 4 do have a corresponding loss, when a S.82 (unknown MM number) from 609 Sq, 146 Gr, 44 St.T with Ten Giuseppe Breasola, Ten Renato Zelari + crew were lost.

The author calls the W/Cdr Maydwell and place their claim at 20mls NE Punta Chiappa.

B Rgds
Stig

[wwrsimon]

Many thanks Stig. I was going to start a new topic, but thought I'd add it to the existing one. I'll do it now.


And yes, it is Maydwell - I've corrected my error.

Regards

Simon

[Stig Jarlevik]

No worries

Let's see if Gianandrea or someone else has an ace up their sleeve....

Cheers
Stig

[Gianandrea Bussi]

About message #10 by Stig.

Yes, I think too that the S.79 mentioned in MAW4 as lost on 10 june was the S.73 NC 30015. It's strange that the date was wrongly report as 9 june in the summary of the SAS losses

About the SM.82 lost on the same date near Capo Granitola, the same SAS list I mentioned above gives it only as "Ditched at Capo Granitola, Fuori Uso (out of order)", so apparently she was lost without enemy action.

ciao

Gianandrea