Wnr 0870387 shot down above Belgium on 11/05/1940

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hi Guys

The "only" problem with this WNr is that it should basically belong to a Ju 87A-1 or A-2. It is known that many A-0/A-1 and A-2 were converted to B-type prototypes, but I am not sure that any conversion were made "en masse" from A to B.
According to Griehl A-2 WNr are known all the way up to 0429. Of course it is not impossible that early B-models were intermixed WNr wise with late production A-models

Anyone who knows more??

Cheers
Stig

[RT]

With a quick look at the losses, I confirm that numerous wn we find there are in this range, I mean around 300/400 they are all listed as B1, from 1940 throughout 1942, basically we find last A is 189 first B1 192, nd no mix, first B2 509, we have also the 5xxx serie that is for oper. units, for the schulen, we find a mix between A nd B from 81 to something like 190

remi

[edNorth]

I find first B-1 at around same as RT
0870387 is then OK by me.

cheers
ed

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Guys

Again looking into Griehl's Ju 87 book, he states he has checked the log book of a Junkers Works pilot named Harder who is listing testflights in A-2 with WNr 0420, 0423, 0427-0429
He also claims that a total of 262 Antons had been delivered by Summer 1938. That means we simply must have more WNr than 0189 for the A-version.

Perhaps a better listing of the Antons and early Berthas is required?

Cheers
STig

[edNorth]

Hi Stig,
The explanation could be that Peter Achs only has the FB of Fritz Harder, everyone else just has lists (transcripts) that may include errors. Also many W.Nr. stated in Mr. Griel´s many books ´don´t hold water´ ....

cheers
ed

[Tony Jones]

Hi Stig

I have the Fritz Harder FB list and he only flew ever the few Ju 87 you listed,
420 Flown 3/6/39 for 29 minutes
427 Flown 5/6/39
423 Flown 7/6/39
428 Flown 8/6/39
429 Flown 9/6/39

The FB list does not give the Ju 87 mark but I thought the flight dates may be of interest to somebody. Harder mainly flew Ju 52 and Ju 86 and Ju 88 from 4/5/44 to his last flight on 30/3/45. These flights from Dessau and Bernburg

Tony Jones

[RT]

At that time they are for sure b1 by sept 39 JFM delivered 271 B1 Weser 196,
Pls Tony name of airfield where tries state-placed
I think that JFM use 0xxx serie, Weser 5xxx

For A serie the Lieferplan say that by 01.april 1938 128 hv been deliv. from Junkers, nd plan to further 27 from Junkers nd 70 from Weser, not sure weser delivered them, nd in further plans, no more is said about A, nor production or Umbau..

Remi

[Peter Achs]

The Ju 87/0387 was a B according to FB Steckhan. He flew the aircraft in April 1939 at Bernburg.

Regards P. Achs

[Rabe Anton]

The Junkers Ju 87 WNr. 87.0387 was a B-1 subtype. For what it's worth, other aircraft with Werknummern in the 038x range were on charge with St.G. 2.

RA

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Guys

Is there anyone who feels he is up to the task to give a preliminary WNr block listing of the A and B-1/B-2 production?

Cheers
Stig