Hans Hahn/Maximilian Stotz

[kirche]

Originally Posted by @irnimal

Kirill, thank you again for the help.
So it is safe to say that of these 3 losses none was inflicted by Stotz.
i know that 224 ShAD had 3 losses, while operating in the Nasovoye, Myasnikovo, Gorodok area. Can't precise where these areas are.
After making further checking I found that 611 ShAP (at the time still with 224 ShAD) lost Mld. Lt. Ivan Konstantinovich Matyukhin (Mia) in the Vetrino Novosel'e.
Can these losses be traced to Stotz's claim?

Hello, Paulo
Nosovye (Носовые), Myasikovo (Мясиково), Gorodok (Городок) - This is closer to the place indicated by the German pilot. These are now defunct settlements northeast of Karmanovo 4-10 km (now the southern shore of the Yauza reservoir).
MIA 10.08.1942:
- ml. l-t Matyuhin I.K. (611 ShAP);
- s-t Slobodenko P.P. (611 ShAP);
- Cap. Domuschey N.K. (1 AE 571 ShAP) - hit by anti-aircraft artillery, made an emergency landing in the area of Novo-Aleksandrovskiye vyselki settlement, the pilot was slightly wounded, the plane is under repair.

Mission 611 SHAP - 14.15-15.30 Moscow time; 571 SHAP - there were two missions (the first started at 14.27, the second completed at 18.10).

[@irnimal]

Originally Posted by kirche

Hello, Paulo
Nosovye (Носовые), Myasikovo (Мясиково), Gorodok (Городок) - This is closer to the place indicated by the German pilot. These are now defunct settlements northeast of Karmanovo 4-10 km (now the southern shore of the Yauza reservoir).
MIA 10.08.1942:
- ml. l-t Matyuhin I.K. (611 ShAP);
- s-t Slobodenko P.P. (611 ShAP);
- Cap. Domuschey N.K. (1 AE 571 ShAP) - hit by anti-aircraft artillery, made an emergency landing in the area of Novo-Aleksandrovskiye vyselki settlement, the pilot was slightly wounded, the plane is under repair.

Mission 611 SHAP - 14.15-15.30 Moscow time; 571 SHAP - there were two missions (the first started at 14.27, the second completed at 18.10).

Thank you Kirill.

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

With Günther Schack his Leistungsbuch gives very accurate crash-sites, I would say no doubts about time or place with him, or witness. Also he seems not to include A.S.M claims in his total, unfortunately some of his 1945 claims are vague. But I was able to calculate his total as 171 confirmed.

I should think he was a honest claimer. Kind of went of the rails in the last years of his life.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by Johannes

Hi Guys

With Günther Schack his Leistungsbuch gives very accurate crash-sites, I would say no doubts about time or place with him, or witness. Also he seems not to include A.S.M claims in his total, unfortunately some of his 1945 claims are vague. But I was able to calculate his total as 171 confirmed.

I should think he was a honest claimer. Kind of went of the rails in the last years of his life.

Kind Regards

Johannes

From everything I have seen Schack was indeed a very accurate claimer and as previously mentioned, I got to interview his wingman, Karl-Heinz Nebel who was at that stage (early noughties) saddened that he had dropped out of contact.

[Johannes]

Hi Nick

I don't have all Schack's witnesses names, and indeed the last two were Numbers 136-137 on 25th June 1944, these were Nebel, the only two I have for Nebel, but obviously he could have been witness to many of numbered138-171.

Günther Josten shows(photo) Schack to be absolutely covered in bandages after being badly burnt, but still flying....seems his eyes were spared.

Kind Regards

Johannes