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Old 5th April 2023, 19:31
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Equipped with the excellent Yak-1 fighter french volunteers of GC Normandie (Major J. Tulasne) suffered their first combat losses – 3 pilots were KIA (Asp. Marcel Bizien, Lt. Raymond Derville & Lt. André Poznanski) in a combat between 6 Yak-1Ms and 8 Fw.190s ( from IV./JG.51) over Spass-Demiensk 15km behind german lines- whilst flying from Polotriani-Zavod, sw. Moscow. In return pilots of GC Normandie claimed 3 Fw.190s (including 1 shared by Poznanski, Derville & Bizien) destroyed although JG.51 recorded no personnel losses, but probably overclaimed with 5 Yak-1s s/d (maybe another Yak-Regiment was involved).
13.04.43 Fw. Rudolf Wagner 10./JG 51 Jak-1 45 574: at 1.000 m. 14.13 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 225
13.04.43 Ofw. Hans Pfahler 12./JG 51 Jak-1 45 543: at 2.000 m. 14.15 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 472
13.04.43 Ofw. Hans Pfahler 12./JG 51 Jak-1 45 572: at 1.800 m. 14.20 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 473
13.04.43 Uffz. Martin Schamberger 11./JG 51 Jak-1 45 522: at 3.000 m. 14.25 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 395
13.04.43 Uffz. Martin Schamberger 11./JG 51 Jak-1 45 542: at 2.000 m. 14.30 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 396
All German claimants were aces and wouldn´t survive 1943: Pfahler: 30 victories MIA 10.07.43, Schamberger: 14 victories, MIA 19.06.43 and Wagner (RK): 81, MIA 11.12.43.

13/04/43 Détruit Fw 190 Yak 1M Spsas / Danemark 6 (Slt) Durand Albert
13/04/43 Détruit Fw 190 Yak 1M Spsas / Danemark 3 (Slt) Mahé Yves
13/04/43 Détruit Fw 190 Yak 1M Spsas/ Danemark 111 (Lt) Derville Raymond, (Lt) Poznanski André and (Asp) Bizien Marcel

After this blow to morale GC Normandie was attached to 18 GIAP (Mayor Golubov), seeing more combat and morale improved despite the fact that in May low-level ground attacks had to be flown and another pilot was lost. Replacements arrived in time when the regiment was down to 10 pilots. It seems that GC Normandie was attached to 303 IAD (Gen. Zakharov) in June 1943 in preparation of the Battle for Orel.
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Old 5th April 2023, 20:46
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

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13/04/43 Détruit Fw 190 Yak 1M Spsas / Danemark 6 (Slt) Durand Albert
13/04/43 Détruit Fw 190 Yak 1M Spsas / Danemark 3 (Slt) Mahé Yves
13/04/43 Détruit Fw 190 Yak 1M Spsas/ Danemark 111 (Lt) Derville Raymond, (Lt) Poznanski André and (Asp) Bizien Marcel
Excuse my ignorance but what does 'Danemark 6, 3 and 111' mean? I assume Spsas is actually Spass?

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Old 5th April 2023, 22:57
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Oh, that´s from a french site:
Spas Demensk, the number = number of victory, 111 = 1 shared for each of the three
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Old 6th April 2023, 00:05
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Oh, that´s from a french site:
Spas Demensk, the number = number of victory, 111 = 1 shared for each of the three
Ahh
They could have fooled me....
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Old 6th April 2023, 10:55
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After this blow to morale GC Normandie was attached to 18 GIAP (Mayor Golubov), seeing more combat and morale improved despite the fact that in May low-level ground attacks had to be flown and another pilot was lost. Replacements arrived in time when the regiment was down to 10 pilots. It seems that GC Normandie was attached to 303 IAD (Gen. Zakharov) in June 1943 in preparation of the Battle for Orel.
on 13.04.1943 - it was directly subordinate to 1 VA (in the documents as "1 separate fighter squadron of Fighting France")
21.04.1943 - it was first mentioned in the Journal of Combat Operations 303 IAD as an independent unit (AE "Normandiya"). In the documents 1 VA continued to be indicated as an independent unit. That is, the squadron was transferred to the operational subordination of a larger unit of the 1st VA, but legally it was subordinated to the army.Normandy was not considered as part of the 18 GIAP. She also flew combat missions together with other regiments of the 303 IAD
In mid-July 1943, it was listed in the army lists as an independent unit, not being part of the 303 IAD.
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