GQM Verluste und Unfälle.

[RudiS]

Hi Franek,

These are two different copies of the same document. Attached is a scan of the first page of Jan 3rd 1941. One is of RL 2-III/753, the other is from RL 2-III/1176.

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The last one is labeled Vorentwurf (upper right corner)(preliminary draft), which seems to be the first edition of the report. The first one is the final report.

Regards

Dirk

[Franek Grabowski]

Thanks! I have wondered if both sets are from different sources, as distribution list is quite extensive. It is surprising that there are gaps with so many copies made.

[Jim P.]

Originally Posted by RudiS

Hi Franek,

These are two different copies of the same document. Attached is a scan of the first page of Jan 3rd 1941. One is of RL 2-III/753, the other is from RL 2-III/1176.

Just to add to RudiS' comment, while I've yet to see any discrepancies between the two sets of GenQu. losses, the Schulen losses do display some differences. I have two sets of Schulen losses on fiche. (I don't think these have been released yet on Invenio.) One set is missing a few pages that are included with the second set (and vice-versa). There are also different handwritten comments on each set, some readable, some not. My point being that while on the surface they may appear to be identical, the devil is in the details so to speak. As a word of caution, it shouldn't be assumed from reviewing a number of pages from the two Gen.Qu. sets that they are totally identical. And there are a heck of a lot more total pages in the 24 volumes of Gen.Qu. reports than in the Schulen reports.

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by Andrey Kuznetsov

Junker and Franek, thank you!
I agree that the difference in personal losses is unlikely to be significant if we leave out the last months of the war. But for aircraft losses, primarily on the ground, in some cases distortions can be noticeable.
In any case, all this creates an unpleasant uncertainty.

I guess there might be some write offs missing not including personal losses. I am aware of such case in Tunisia, but I tend to blame the chaos at the end of the campaign. The thing that struck me is the small percentage of Me 109 pilots bailing out during the summer 1941 Channel offensive. Of course this prooves nothing but raises doubts. The question is, if this could be verified somehow.

Originally Posted by Jim P.

Just to add to RudiS' comment, while I've yet to see any discrepancies between the two sets of GenQu. losses, the Schulen losses do display some differences. I have two sets of Schulen losses on fiche. (I don't think these have been released yet on Invenio.) One set is missing a few pages that are included with the second set (and vice-versa). There are also different handwritten comments on each set, some readable, some not. My point being that while on the surface they may appear to be identical, the devil is in the details so to speak. As a word of caution, it shouldn't be assumed from reviewing a number of pages from the two Gen.Qu. sets that they are totally identical. And there are a heck of a lot more total pages in the 24 volumes of Gen.Qu. reports than in the Schulen reports.

Well, I have wondered if those two sets are originating from two different offices. There is a long distribution list, so in theory there is a chance that more than one set survived the war. I understand that those sets are originating from one office.

Franek