Jagdflieger unconfirmed victories and official confirmation of claims

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Originally Posted by Csaba Becze

Nikita,

Well, I stated, that I know one of Barkhorn's kills, which was over enemy territory without witness and it was confirmed to him. Maybe he has more similar ones, but I know exactly only one, I fond just few of his detailed Abschussmeldungen in BA-MA (will check it in details, if you need).

BTW to me, the Soviet method is more interesting, because I know less about the Soviet system.
I am sure, that the Soviet authorities know the German official loss reports (mostly via radio and the gap between the VVS fighter claims and the German losses was evident instantly) How was it possible, that high number of overclaims were confirmed so easily? And if the Soviet authorities confirmed kills just over own territory in the first part of the conflict, what about the not found German wrecks (to me, the found wrecks would be the main cause of this rule)?

Csaba

Csaba, the Soviet method of air combat victories confirm were theorically more strict than Luftwaffe's, to get a confirmation, you need two witness in the air and/or the confirmation from your gun cammera, even this, a confirmation would not be grant unless the wreckage of the enemy aircraft were found on the ground, so any enemy planes shot down on enemy terriotory WOULD NOT be counted as a personal victory ! But as we know, what real happened usually was much different to what should happened, for example in the first year of Russo-German war, the overclaims of VVS were usually 3:1.
On the other hand, do you really think the claimes of Luftwaffe were accurate ? at least I do not think so, at least, all of Luftwaffe claimes submitted after fall of 1944 were officailly unconfirmed victories, because the confirmation system was broken down at that time.