Jagdflieger unconfirmed victories and official confirmation of claims

[Csaba B. Stenge]

Nikita,

well, my opinion is the same as yours regarding the German (and Hungarian) overclaims, as I described it in my aces book.
BTW another cathegory, over Hungary there were many Hungarian-German 'collective' air victories, and these planes were confirmed individually many times in both sides (in Hungarian side with less points and with the mentioned German claims, at the Luftwaffe, as 'full own' kills). Sometimes even shared with the AA artillery as well (but confirmed separately as a full kill). It happened at night too (same plane was confirmed to German night fighters and AA artillery separately).

Dénes,

in few occasions, over Transylvania, the AA artillery claimed the same planes as the Jagdwaffe, so they are overclaimed there as well (fighters or AA artillery, or both).

[Dénes Bernád]

Originally Posted by Csaba Becze

Dénes,

in few occasions, over Transylvania, the AA artillery claimed the same planes as the Jagdwaffe, so they are overclaimed there as well (fighters or AA artillery, or both).

The air combats I was referring to took part away from so-called 'sensitive centres', so there was no established flak over there. One may assume that there was light troop flak in the combat area; however, chances are slim. I believe that the Rumanian aircraft the German fighters claimed were shut down in air combat, not by flak (there are other Rumanian losses too, which do not have Luftwaffe fighter claim equivalents, those might have indeed been shot down by flak).