Ju87 data plate

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by stephen f. polyak

Stig, thank you so much for that info. Very helpful! The skz “KK+CB” led me to search further. Thus, LRG (https://www.luftwaffe-research-group.com) revealed a vkz of M6+CL, which I don’t believe connects with a StG unit. Possible error? Also, the city of Bizerte is listed in connection with this airplane. Further thoughts?

Not sure Stephen from where you or LRG get that info.
M6 was used by a ocean rescue unit (Seenotstaffel 3) equipped mostly with Heinkel 59 and later
Dornier 24T but also a few former French Breguet 521 'Bizerte'.
The M6 code was not assigned until quite late, 1944 or so.

A Ju 87 would be more or less useless for them.

Cheers
Stig

[stephen f. polyak]

Stig, I’ve since learned that the vkz in the LRG entry, that is “M6+CL,” is a mistake. Disregard Bizerte as a city reference, also. As it stands now, only WNr, 100302 linked with skz “KK+CB” for a Ju87 D-3 is correct.

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Not sure Stephen from where you or LRG get that info.
M6 was used by a ocean rescue unit (Seenotstaffel 3) equipped mostly with Heinkel 59 and later
Dornier 24T but also a few former French Breguet 521 'Bizerte'.
The M6 code was not assigned until quite late, 1944 or so.

A Ju 87 would be more or less useless for them.

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Stephen,

Following up on Stig's reply I looked up Wnr 100302 on Stammkennzeichen.de
It shows KK+GB as a result. Unfortunately no further details are provided for this individual aircraft,but the whole of the KK+G* series are shown as Ju 87 D-3 and of the few in the databse associated with a unit four are shown as operated by the Regia Aeronautica's 103 Gruppo. So if the GI referenced in your initial post was based in the Med, perhaps the plate is from a RA machine.

Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Good point Clint

However the book Gli Stuka della Regia does not show the WNr 100302 as delivered to Italy

They show 100202 and 100306 (for example) being delivered, but none with a known STKZ.

On the other hand they show KK+GD as WNr 100032 which leaves us with the question, is that
a misprint for 100302? Not impossible since I have the STKZ DS+ZF and a unit 4./StG 1 before
delivery to Italy in May 1943!
The book also lists WNr 100031 as delivered to the RA but without any STKZ.

If we do have a Ju 87 D expert, can he please stand up and help out here??

Cheers
Stig

[stephen f. polyak]

Clint, thanks for taking time to do that research and share your findings.

Let’s regroup…

The plate is definitely marked Ju87 D-3 and WNr. 100302. It was also definitely removed from a plane in the Mediterranean area.

Breguet 521 Bizerte and M6+CL are both not applicable.

Depending on reference source, two skz have been linked to airplane: KK+CB and KK+GB. I note that a letter ‘G’ could be misread for a ‘C,’ and vice versa; also, those letters are nearly adjacent on a keyboard

As of now, I’m inclined to see KK+GB as more likely than KK+CB. Also, it is possible that this Ju87 served with the RA. (Does a list of WNr. for Ju87s employed by the RA exist?) That possibility may be reinforced by the fact that among the group of plates that the GI possessed, a number of them were from airplanes designed and built by Italian firms.

Am hoping more information surfaces, a collective repeated thanks to all that responded so far.

Steve

Originally Posted by musec04

Stephen,

Following up on Stig's reply I looked up Wnr 100302 on Stammkennzeichen.de
It shows KK+GB as a result. Unfortunately no further details are provided for this individual aircraft,but the whole of the KK+G* series are shown as Ju 87 D-3 and of the few in the databse associated with a unit four are shown as operated by the Regia Aeronautica's 103 Gruppo. So if the GI referenced in your initial post was based in the Med, perhaps the plate is from a RA machine.

Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by stephen f. polyak

Does a list of WNr. for Ju87s employed by the RA exist?
Am hoping more information surfaces, a collective repeated thanks to all that responded so far.

Steve

Yes it does

A list exists in the book Gli Stuka della Regia (as mentioned above)
However in this case it does not bring any clarity to the plate found.

If the WNr 100032 is a misprint for 100302 then the quoted STKZ KK+GD does not correspond to
a possible KK+GB. I can accept one misprint (or faulty Italian records) but hardly two....

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Stig,Steve,

The Wnr 100032 mentioned by Stig is shown with the Stkz DS+ZF on Stammkennzeichen.de. Not surprisingly Stkz GG+KD has the Wnr 100304.

Regards,

Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by musec04

Not surprisingly Stkz GG+KD has the Wnr 100304.
Regards,
Clint

Can you check that again Clint?

GG+KD does not correlate to anything I have

I am now off until Friday, so hopefully this has been solved by then.

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Sorry Stig,

I meant to write KK+GD as WNr 100304.

Regards,

Clint

[stephen f. polyak]

After all the information above is laid out, deciphered, and correlated, is it fair to say that, most likely, WNr. 100302 was KK+GB?