Photo Sopwith

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay two photos of Sopwith Pup A7340 of 66 Squadron


https://www.ebay.de/itm/156083239161...Bk9SR5ywx6jDYw


https://www.ebay.de/itm/375278382038...Bk9SR5ywx6jDYw


The second at least has been previously seen.


Regards.




Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Sopwith 1A2 No.4209 in the attractive markings of Escadrille SOP 214


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/405225119907...IAAOSwrB5m4r90



The same seller has photos from the same unit under its subsequent id as Escadrille R214


https://www.ebay.fr/sch/i.html?_dkr=...ereo%20positif



Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Sopwith 1A2 No.487. Unusual camouflage?


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/204996077087...sAAOSwxHlm6B4w



Regards,


Clint

[Buckeye30]

Hi Clint. Non-standard but not unusual (SOP250 had a few similar), the early schemes were simpler than the later 4/5 colour probably just green / light or dark brown patches on the unpainted fabric. Looks like 3-colour.

On the subject of identification these colour Escadrille emblems may be of help in the future.....


https://www.traditions-air.fr/unit/photo/classeurvi.htm


Nick

[musec04]

Hi Nick,


Thanks for the reply. Yes the site you link to is very useful for unit markings and is usually my first call.It's a great starting point but only has one unit emblem per unit so doesn't pick up on units with changing emblems eg SOP 214 a couple of posts down in this thread or perhaps the Nieuport on the French Photo Album thread. Still life would be much harder wothout the work the site owner has done.Hat tip



Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a colourful photo of Sopwith 1A2 No.4255 of SOP 214


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/405392191518...Bk9SR5KU7cXxZA



Also Sopwith 1A2 No.1458 of SOP 273


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/405390967880...Bk9SR5SU7cXxZA



Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Perhaps not as visually impressive as No.4255 in the previous post of this thread,but I don't believe that I've seen this variant before, Sopwith 1D2 No.4180.

https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/colle...160372849.html



Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Neither have I Clint

Does the D mean 'doublé (double) ie a trainer with double command?

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hi Stig,


Double Command seems very likely based on this post from theaerodrome which is very good on Sopwith 1 tail markings generally



https://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/s...t=31768&page=3


However, I note that the photo at the bottom of the page has different markings again,retaining the 1-B-2 at the top of the rudder,with the D2 seperate and lower down. I also note that the machine I posted has a single cockpit,whereas the aerodrome has the usual two seperate cockpits. I wonder if 4180 was perhaps built as a 1D2 whereas the other machine is a conversion?


I also wonder why the Nieuport 80 with dual control are still, according to Davilla and Soltan E2, rather than D2. Puzzling. Also odd that there existed seperately 1E2 with seperate cockpits as well as the 1B2 D2



https://www.alamy.com/aviation-milit...560782756.html


A lot more questions than answers following a search for the 1D2. Bearing in mind that my best reference on the Sopwith 1 is Davilla and Soltan and that it dates from the C.20th (but then so do we) I've decided to order Le Fana de l'Aviation 636 which has an article by David Méchin which may help,though I suspect not. Still if it helps with questions about the 1D2 I'll post it here.


Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Tricky Clint

Possibly the E stood for Ecole (School) which probably did not have dual controls while
the D specifically did.

Also admit the ice gets thinner and thinner.....

Cheers
Stig