eBay: Allied intrest

[Buckeye30]

Ed. 3757 is interesting, B-17F 42-5357 force-landed on ferry flight from USA to 97BG. at Biskra Algeria 3 Jan. 43, came down near Gabes (Tunisia); crew captured, all POW. On the 5th. found by 2 P-40s from 33FG, strafed and destroyed.


Nick

[AndyMa]

Bertrand,
The book "Curtiss Design 75 Hawk" (Hagedorn, Tincopa, European Airlines 2021) states in the production list on Page 205 that 84 was "lost behind enemy lines 17May40 near Flandes while being flown by Sgt. Cartier"
Was this a different aircraft? If so, which one please?
Andy

[Stig Jarlevik]

Andy

Hagedorn et al has misunderstood, possibly via a bad translation from the French, what happened
on the 17th vs 26th

On the 17th Sgt Cartier was on an afternoon mission from 15.25H covering the Walcherem sector
They encounterd Bf 109 from 1 & 2./JG 20 and it seems Cartier's Curtiss was slightly damaged
and he had to belly land his aircraft
However it was only slightly damaged and repaired very quickly only to be lost
on the 26th when the aircraft was on a morning mission in the Péronne-Douai-Valenciennes-St Quentin
sector.
Again encountering Bf 109 Sgt Raoul Bès was wounded and had to crash land No 84 behind enemy lines
and was both wounded and taken POW

B Rgds
Stig

[edwest2]

https://www.ebay.de/itm/298147541243...Bk9SR_rtt--iZw
Off topic
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[AndyMa]

Thanks for the clarification Stig.

[Bertrand H]

#3762 : Andy if you want to read a solid production list of French H-75 I invite to read/buy this book Curtiss H-75 de l'armée de l'air (LELA press); French author Lionel Persyn gives between pages 404 to 433 the detail of each a/c

La Brayelle was a WWI A/F and now hold with factory car Renault. Other photos of this 84 show church of Brebières.

#3763 : tnx Stig for explanation

#3764_1 : MS 230 Morane Saulnier n°37 ; was with EAP 15 at Bourges ; was in 2/1940 in waiting to return to Morane factory

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Bertrand H

#3764_1 : MS 230 Morane Saulnier n°37 ; was with EAP 15 at Bourges ; was in 2/1940 in waiting to return to Morane factory

Thanks for those details Bertrand

What is your opinion on this photo on sale?
https://www.ebay.de/itm/298147511153....c101506.m1851
Does it say No 280 or something else?

Cheers
Stig

[Bertrand H]

Hi Stig

#3797 : if we read 280 it is Morane Saulnier MS230 n°280 M770 known to have been in second term of 1939 at the school of Romilly

More on the Ecole de Romilly

http://www.romilly-aviation.fr/ecole.htm

Bertrand

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Bertrand

Really appreciated!!!

Cheers
Stig