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Old 17th January 2007, 09:33
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Re: Soviet Hurricanes - where, when, ...?

LOL.

I know that not whole division was send just in one time into the battle but partialy. More to many times is mentioned that: 46, 180, 191, 436 of 235. IAD were equipted in Hurricanes and were in 235. IAD structure, you may see and check the link in Russian:

I know this link. That is true.

There is mentioned above regiments and used by them Hurricanes in the "Battle of Stalingarad" - first period about VI-IX 42.

Sorry but you still "accused/sustein" to many peoples about "blidness" or "stupidness".
More info of 235. IAD
"13.06.42 г. вошла в состав 8-й ВА.
С 10.09.1942 г. входила в состав 1-го иак."

And about 46. IAP
"Летом 1942 г. входил в состав 235-й иад.
К концу августа 1942 г. после напряженных боев на сталинградском направлении в полку осталось 4-5 "Харрикейнов."


I know Vasiliy Kharin, whose site it is, personally. Unfortunatelly, his sources are mostly based on the open records (memoirs, history books and etc.). They are not so reliable as we wish to be. Note the date of entering 235 IAD into 8 VA - June 13, 1942. This is the battle of Kharkov. For the past two months 235 IAD was completely destroyed in the battles of Kharkov, Voronezh and other retreat operations. Thus, none of the above-mentioned regiments flew any combat sorties in the Stalingrad battle exept 436 IAP. All Hurricanes were accumulated in 436 IAP, which conducted combat duties for the first several days of Stalingrad battle from July 17 till July 26. On July 22, 1942 265 IAD was withdrawn from 8 VA and its regiments: 13 IAP and 156 IAP were handled to 235 IAD. From this time Hurricanes of 436 IAP made few combat sorties and soon were sent to rest and refit.
BTW, from what source you draw a conclusion that 1 IAK ever participated in Stalingrad battle? 235 IAD was in 1 IAK for a short time in september-october 1942. It was equipped with La-5s and was far away from Stalingrad...

К концу августа 1942 г. после напряженных боев на сталинградском направлении в полку осталось 4-5 "Харрикейнов."

By the end of August 46 IAP was already withdrawn from the frontline.

But your 1 post denaied any rights for 4 regiments being in comabts in Stalingard battle on Hurricanes - this is strange!

I do not deny. I simply know that from operational documents of 235 IAD.

See what have you personaly written, it is great precise: The only VVS unit equipped with Hurricanes which took part in the Stalingrad battle was 436 IAP.

Key words here are "Stalingrad battle". Other regiments did not live long to be combat ready for the Stalingrad battle.
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