Heinkel He 162 upper wingcolour Mystery

[O.Menu]

Arg! Excuse Dave my English is not as good as i would like...

By the way, Simon, It looks you are right, not all black gun bay are for 30mm. It seems that He 162 with W.Nr in 310... are but those in 120... are not. So the mystery about the black gun bay remain...

[SMF144]

I'd hazard a guess that there probably isn't a mystery behind the black painted gun troughs on the He.162. I think it's no different then the black that was painted on the fuselage of the Fw.190s to disguise the exhaust stain; and the same for the 109.

Then again...

Stephen

[DaveM2]

No problem..it is better than my French!

Dave

Originally Posted by O.Menu

Arg! Excuse Dave my English is not as good as i would like...

By the way, Simon, It looks you are right, not all black gun bay are for 30mm. It seems that He 162 with W.Nr in 310... are but those in 120... are not. So the mystery about the black gun bay remain...

[Simon Schatz]

First I want to thank you for the great discussion. Here is my next problem!

I just finished my newest colour profile, you can imagine the plane. Yes it's a He 162 "Spatz". My problem are the colours of the markings. Was the background of the eagle emblem Yellow or Red. Was the number of the plane White or Yellow.

In "Luftwaffe Camouflage an Markings Vol 1" are some pics of the plane. Also a colour pic. Text says that it is a Yellow 4, but it looks more White than Yellow.

Here you find a preview of all 4 variants that could be possible. In colour and in bw to see how difficult it is to convert a BW-Pic into colour.

Please visit the link if the direct link to the pics doesn't work.

Cheers, Simon

http://www.free-webspace.biz/luftwaf...Schatz2005.htm

[O.Menu]

Hi Simon !

I m probably not the best to reply but here is my feelling:

It's very probably 4 white more than yellow. 1/ It loks white on the color photo 2/ The diving eagle emblem is for the 1st Staffel and 1st Staffel had white digits 3/ Yellow 4 is visible on one Leck's photo and it doesnt have any black paint around the guns as white 4 have.

And the diving eagle is very probably red 1/ the tone is really the same as the one from the arrow 2/ This same white and red emblem was said to be found over W.Nr. 120015 under restoration in France.

[Simon Schatz]

Hi Menu,

Thank you, only wanted a confirmation for my suspicion. So my Profile of the 120067 is a White 4, flown by 1./JG 1, Eagle is red.

Cheers, Simon

[NC900A8]

Hello every body!

Philippe Couderchon come again after a long silent.

After my paper relating the story oh french He 162 in the french magazin AFM, I decaded to write the same paper for the english and german reader!
So you can see this article in Aeroplane monthly-April and May 2006, and in Flugzeug Classic -July and august 2006.

About the restoration of the wnr.120015, you can follow it on the web site at:
http://memorial.flight.free.fr/He162.html

At this time, the wings are now painting........in RLM71/RLM65.
See the photos just published two days ago!!

When the restoration will be finished, we will publish a book with many photos and informations!!

Best regards,

Philippe Couderchon

[Pascal Abbet]

Bonjour Philippe,

Nice to read you again!
I regularly follow the project progression.
I’d like to know when do you expected to finish the restoration?

Looking at the picture of the repainted wing on the web site, I was surprised to see the thin Balkenkreuz in the under surfaces. A well known picture (front) of the 120015, 21 white (yellow?) publish in different books lets show a bold black cross.
How did you determine the type of the marking? recovered during the restoration?

Thanks in advance and I’m very impatient to read the new publication about this extraordinary project (plane and restoration).

Salutations de Montréal

Pascal

[jmelson]

Hi all,

This restoration project is obviously a labour of love. I'm surprised that the wing markings (top) do not reflect the correct style that was used. Also, painting the wing RLM 71 when it is apparent that this aircraft along with 120076 and 120086 show a 'vivid' dark green colour upper surface. This 'different' shade of green is visible on the wing under the engine nacelle on all three aicraft. In the case of 120086 it was shown that the entire wing was this colour.
So, often the final touches detract from all the great work that was done....much like the wrong style roundel etc. on the CF-105 Avro Arrow replica and the '35' on the Me262 restoration.

Cheers,
John

[NC900A8]

Bonjour Pascal and all,

Thus by looking at the site of Memorial-Flight-Aassociation, you saw that the wings are entirely in dark green RLM70 (I wrote by error 71) and blue RLM65. These wooden wings come well from a subcontractor carpenter localised around the principal factory at Vienna –Mareinhe .
It is true that the principal aeronautical factories conformed to the new paintings required by the RLM, like the RLM81 and 82. But these large companies, by receiving their batches of new paintings, and to make economies, transferred their old paintings towards the small factories like carpenters..... which used them, even at the end of the war.
If you look at our site, you will find the photographs of two hoodings of the engine which are well in RLM81/82, therefore in conformity with the directive of camouflage of He 162, as my friend Ken Merrick in his last book tells it on the camouflages at “Classic books”. For our fuselage, it will be a surprise in the current of the year 2007!
This strange camouflage is, today, only avalable for our 120015, one of the first He 162 built at Marienhe.
For the 120076 and 120086, I hope the upper wings camouflage was painted in RLM82/81....the carpenter was perhaps different !
Also the air-entrance of 120086 she is in RLM02, like our 120015.
For me, the splinter camouflage on 120076 is Canadian, not German, same thing for the Chino’s 162.
Best regards from France,
Philippe