Luftwaffe reports on downed Lavochkins

[yogybär]

IMHO, nobody was really able during a DF to distinguish between these subtypes. Afaik, there were even a lot of La5FN-airframes equipped with ASh82F-engine in late 43 and 44, because of production problems wit hthe FN.

The only possibility to find out what type it actually is/was, would have been to check the remains of a crash on the ground.

IMHO, the difference La-5 / LaGG-5 is just different naming. There are even many claims for "LaGG" w/o a number . Similar can be found for IL-2. In 44, virtually all IL-2's had a reargunner = Heckschütze. Nevertheless, only some claims are "IL-2 m.H." = mit Heckschütze = with rear gunner, although definitely >90% must have had one.

[kalender1973]

Hello,

but in experience report, written by JG6 in spring 1945, the authors claims, that the pilots in La-5 figthers perform poor in comparement with pilots La-7 figther, not agressive etc. I would ask, how average german pilot was able to differ both type and this during the fight ??? And the JG6 have before 1945 no engagement with soviet figther, there pilots could know only theoretical about different soviet types...

Even more, many soviet figther regiments at that time have a mix of La-5F/5FN/-7 plane and they could fly in mixed formation.

Best regards

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, Igor.

Well, I do not know where you get your information from, but even if parts of the JG 6 had not been in action on the eastern front from their formation, pilots in the unit had definitely had experience from the eastern front.

Some of them enough to fill their scorecard back and front...

Also, which 'average german pilot' filed this report? Barkhorn? In my opinion he would by then have more than theoretical experience with soviet aircraft and opposing soviet pilots in aerial combat.

And maybe german pilots even discussed the situation, and the experiences they made once they got to the eastern front and tried to use this to better their otherwise by then hopeless situation?

I agree that there would be difficulties in discerning La-5's and La-7's by looks only, but there is a small difference in performance isn't there? And this would maybe be the reason for guessing or making a valid assumption that you opposed one or the other aircraft type?

Best regards,
Andreas B

[Franek Grabowski]

Andreas
Performance's envelope overlapping for both types makes such distinguishment impossible. Lavochkins required a lot of manual adjusting that caused the less experienced pilot to achiewe worser performance. That said I believe it is virtually impossible for a pilot to distinguish both aircraft, especially as the main difference between La-5FN and La-7 was in internal structure.

[Andreas Brekken]

Ok, I stand corrected.

Best regards,
Andreas B

[kalender1973]

Hello Andreas,

from the Holm homepage we can see that JG6 did't partipiate in air war in the east until january 1945. And the units, from which the JG6 was established (I,II/ZG26, I/JG5) didn't have also "eastern history".
For me the "average german pilot" from west front(or from German Air Home Defence) at that time is somebody who survive some fligths in the west and has a very little experience.
About Barkhorn. I don't know, if even he could differ both types. He was wounded on 31. May 44 and return back in october 1944 and has relatively few kills at that time. The La-7 was only introduced in that time in few number, therefore I don't belive, he could see one of them.
IIRC, Barkhorn didn't fly as commodore of JG6 in 1945, at least he has not kills...
What the performance of LA-7 concern, the La-7 was faster 50 km/h then La-5FN and could faster climb
Best regards,
Igor