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Old 5th February 2007, 02:07
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Me262 claim for US a/c over Austria on 26th Nov 1944

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Is it known if any Me262 pilots claimed an a/c over Austria on the 26th november 1944 ?
If so who was the pilot , his unit and details of the Me262 if known .

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Old 5th February 2007, 02:42
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Re: Me262 claim for US a/c over Austria on 26th Nov 1944

Lt. Fritz R.G. Muller was vectored into the Salzburg area to intercept a Mosquito from San Servo that belonged to the 60th South African Squadron. Muller had a fast closure on the Mosquito and trouble getting sighted on it. He fired anyway and the Mosquito dove into the clouds. It was given to him as confirmed but the Mosquito crashed landed at it's home field.
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Old 5th February 2007, 14:42
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Re: Me262 claim for US a/c over Austria on 26th Nov 1944

Hi,

Thank you for reply.

Twin engined aircraft is a good start.
I only can find NS623 that flew into a hill on the 27th. Have you details of serial number of the one you mention ?

I was in hope of someone replying with info on a P38 shoot down.

Was there any other Me262 combat in the area that may fir on the day in question ?

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Old 5th February 2007, 16:37
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Re: Me262 claim for US a/c over Austria on 26th Nov 1944

Sorry, That's all the info I have. You might see if there's some one who has the 4 volumes of Me 262 by J Richard Smith which might have more of what your looking for.

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Old 5th February 2007, 17:12
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Re: Me262 claim for US a/c over Austria on 26th Nov 1944

I found nothing about the 26th November in the 4 volumes by Smith/Creek.
However, the Me 262 Combat Diary gives the names of the pilots of the Mosquito as Lieutenant Stoffberg and Flight Officer Andrews, who managed to force land at Fano.
There is a P-38 that was shot down by Major Sinner near Kitzbühl/Austria, about 60 km SW of Salzburg. That plane was piloted by Lieutenant Julius Thomas and was an escort out of 3 planes for an F-5 recce mission. Sinner took off and landed at Lechfeld.
Maybe that is the plane yo are looking for.
No further data are given in the book.
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Old 5th February 2007, 17:24
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Re: Me262 claim for US a/c over Austria on 26th Nov 1944

Hello Robert,

Many thanks for your reply.

Yes that is the one. Thomas.

The Mossie NS623 had a different crew than the ones you name.
I wonder what the serial number of that one was ?

The P38 pilot is reported to have died of his wounds, so must have survived the crash or bail out , but no details of if he became a POW.
prior to his death.

A KU Report on the crash may be a help.

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Re: Me262 claim for US a/c over Austria on 26th Nov 1944

Alex,
sorry, forgot to write that according to the book Thomas baled out and got POW. Nothing about his death.
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Re: Me262 claim for US a/c over Austria on 26th Nov 1944

The P-38 pilot was Lt. Guy Thomas of the 1st FG,94 FS. He was injured and died of his wounds on December 4,1944. He was claimed by Hptm Sinner.

Source An Escort of P-38s:The 1t Fighter Group in WWII (Mullins)
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Re: Me262 claim for US a/c over Austria on 26th Nov 1944

Hi,
There was also a claim for a F-5 Lightning of 7 PRG ( serial 43-28619 ) flown by Lt Irving J. Rickey, who was shot down by Obfw. Hermann Buchner at 24,000 feet near Augsburg. The US aicraft crahsed near Spesshardt, 20 km S of Pforzheim. ( sources: Me 262 Combat Diary from Foreman and Harvey, pgs 97, 98 ).
Hope this will help too...although this combat seems to have been a bit more to the NW than this one you are looking for...
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Old 6th February 2007, 22:41
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Hello to you all,

Thank you for your input.

It all helps.

Many thanks

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