Groupie Normandie on 17Oct44

[robert]

Hi,

they were between 17.10 and 19.10.44 in Trakehnen.
On the 17.10 at 08.00 hours Olt.Trenkel shot down one Pe-2. But few moments later he and his wingman - OFhr.Windisch- were chased by fighter escort (Jak-3). Both were shot down but Windisch was yet able to shot down one russian fighter (at 08.05 hours). Trenkel emergency-landed (belly-landed) and Windisch bailed out - both in the Ebenrode area.

Robert

[kolya1]

Originally Posted by robert

Hi,

they were between 17.10 and 19.10.44 in Trakehnen.
On the 17.10 at 08.00 hours Olt.Trenkel shot down one Pe-2. But few moments later he and his wingman - OFhr.Windisch- were chased by fighter escort (Jak-3). Both were shot down but Windisch was yet able to shot down one russian fighter (at 08.05 hours). Trenkel emergency-landed (belly-landed) and Windisch bailed out - both in the Ebenrode area.

Robert

According to other sources the engagamant took place on 16/10 : the german fighters shot down 2 Bostons before being themselves both shot down by the escort fihgters, Windisch being shot down by Soviet pilots and Trenkel by French pilot Maurice Challe.

No losses are mentioned among escort fighters.

for an account, in French, of the engagement see :

http://mairie.orange.fr/frenchaces/as/m+c.html

Hope this can help you,

Kolya.

PS : Trenkel was reportedly shot down as many as five times in october 1944, while scoring 12 additionnal victories (he was already past 100 victories at the time...).

[robert]

Sorry but no losses on the German side on the 16.10.44. On this day the I/JG52 moved over from Ziechenau to Insterburg.
No information about air combat with Bostons. Olt.Trenkel bailed out twice on the 15.10.44 and belly-landed on the 17.10.44. No other information`s in loss list about him in October 1944.
Source: B.Barbas "Die Geschichte der I.Gruppe des Jagdgeschwader 52".

Robert

[Nokose]

Thanks for the verification on JG52 being in the area. According to Tony Woods list it was Ofw Walter Jahnke who shot down the Yak3 at 08:05. From the description it sounds like the incident but not far south 9/JG51 was engaging and claimed a Pe2 and a Yak9. Earlier Steve wrote that one a/c was shot down and two damaged. If Emonet was flying one of the Yak9's he would have been in the area of 9/JG51. The two Boston III's were claimed in the next intercept by Nehrig (1/JG52). So does anyone if Emonet was in a Yak3 or Yak9 to verify his position in this incident?