unidentified Bf109 (?) Oud-Turnhout/ Belgium

[Herman]

Hello

For our local histrical society I doeall miltary historical reaserch.
I'm told that the enclosed picture is taken in our town, Oud-Turnhout, the norrh of Belgium in the province of Antwerp.
Is this 'said so' true? Can anybody confirm of deny it? Whatever the answer is, an answer is always good for me!

Many thanks

Herman

[ju55dk]

Originally Posted by Herman

Hello

For our local histrical society I doeall miltary historical reaserch.
I'm told that the enclosed picture is taken in our town, Oud-Turnhout, the norrh of Belgium in the province of Antwerp.
Is this 'said so' true? Can anybody confirm of deny it? Whatever the answer is, an answer is always good for me!

Many thanks

Herman

It is a Heinkel He 111 from 9/III/KG 27! I do not know if it's from Belgium.

Junker

[Herman]

Many thanks for your reaction. It 's a picture from our local archive. Strange if it would be not Belgian-nic, to appear in the archives. But that's says nothing, I learned.
best regards
Herman

[touvdal]

He 111P, 1G+HT, chrash landen at Kemieten Switserland, 16/5/40, at navi. problem, shot down by Swiss Bf-109, aircraft burt out after 160 mg hits, lt. j. Riecker, Uffz. H. Schaller, A. Herzig, Fw. G. Hobbie internet.
ref. Boelkcke-Archive II, p.138

cheers
Jes

[RolandF]

The plane´s 1G + KT, not 1G + HT.

I have a photo of + HT and the situation is quite different...

Regards

Fran

[Herman]

Thanks to all.
I do think that it is more likely 1G + KT too. Seraching for clue' I was thinking, (taking inaccount the actionradius of the He 111) that it might been a plaine stationned in France in 1944 at Connantre airfiels East of Paris and only 250 Km away from Oud-Turnhout. It's just an idea
I must say I'm tickled by your phot and the quote that the situation is quite different. could you give more details on that? does it means you can link it with place, date and crew? And does anyone has the "werknummer" of the plaine?
best regards
Herman

[Larry Hickey]

Herman,

The position of the swastica on the tail and style of markings almost certainly confirms that this was an aircraft down during 1940, most likely during the May-June Blitzkrieg, not sometime later.

Regards,

[robert]

Hi,

I agree with Larry.

Robert

[obdl3945]

Hi...

Yes, I would have to agree that this is most likely a photo from early on in the war. As mentioned, the position of the swastika overlapping the fin/rudder hinge line would seem to confirm this. I would say that it almost certainly dates the photo to no later than the end of the Battle of Britain in 1940.

It's definitely a He111P because of the air intake on the left side of the engine cowling, and was operational with KG27 'Boelke'. As others have stated, it was part of 9.Staffel, within III.Gruppe. According to the Luftwaffe Order of Battle for 7th September, 1940, III.Gruppe was based at Rennes in France, under the command of Major Freiherr Speck von Sternburg, and equipped with the He111P-2. Stab. and I.Gruppe/KG27 were based at Tours, with II.Gruppe stationed at Dinard and Bourges.

Regards

[Herman]

Thanks too al !

Originally Posted by obdl3945

Hi...

Yes, I would have to agree that this is most likely a photo from early on in the war. As mentioned, the position of the swastika overlapping the fin/rudder hinge line would seem to confirm this. I would say that it almost certainly dates the photo to no later than the end of the Battle of Britain in 1940.

It's definitely a He111P because of the air intake on the left side of the engine cowling, and was operational with KG27 'Boelke'. As others have stated, it was part of 9.Staffel, within III.Gruppe. According to the Luftwaffe Order of Battle for 7th September, 1940, III.Gruppe was based at Rennes in France, under the command of Major Freiherr Speck von Sternburg, and equipped with the He111P-2. Stab. and I.Gruppe/KG27 were based at Tours, with II.Gruppe stationed at Dinard and Bourges.

Regards