Placing the Bell P39 Aircobra.

[Kutscha]

Keep believing in your phantasy dreams.

STuG G ground pressure is 13.5psi. A Panther G is 12.8psi so it to must have been restricted to just roads.

The Churchill I had a ground pressure of 13.1psi and you want us to believe that the Mk VII weighing 2600 more lbs and with a ground pressure of 14psi could travel cross-country when the StuG, and Panther couldn't. Never mind the up-armoured Churchill at 44,600lb even with a 24" track. Yah right!!! Naturally, the mechanical reliabilty of this super heavy tank would have been superb.

Was the turret to get extra armour? How about more side armour for flank attacks?

Should it be mentioned that the Soviets did not think highly of the Churchills they recieved.

accurate CAS for taking out mortars, which were the big killers, mg42, artillery and Paks, including the Stug

You were the one making statements about using a dive bomber. So I want to know how did the Stuka do in its glory days with such targets since you are the one telling us great dive bombers are.

Sure the Vengeance from 10,000ft and up could tell with all the smoke and dust what to attack!!!

[Kutscha]

posted 11th March 2006 here by Dénes Bernád

statistics of Il-2 losses, according to Hans Seidl:

Year - Total Losses - To Enemy Action - % of Strength at Hand
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1941* - 1100 - 600 - 73.3%
1942 - 2600 - 1800 - 34.2%
1943 - 7200 - 3900 - 45.0%
1944 - 8900 - 4100 - 46.6%
1945** - 3800 - 2000 - 27.3%
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Total: 23600 12400 70.3%
* presumably from June 22 [D.B.]
** until May 10

Therefore, over 50% of losses [not counting the 'worn out' category] was due to enemy.

So tell us again how well the Il-2 would do.

[tcolvin]

Originally Posted by Kutscha

Keep believing in your phantasy dreams.

STuG G ground pressure is 13.5psi. A Panther G is 12.8psi so it to must have been restricted to just roads.

The Churchill I had a ground pressure of 13.1psi and you want us to believe that the Mk VII weighing 2600 more lbs and with a ground pressure of 14psi could travel cross-country when the StuG, and Panther couldn't. Never mind the up-armoured Churchill at 44,600lb even with a 24" track. Yah right!!! Naturally, the mechanical reliabilty of this super heavy tank would have been superb.

Was the turret to get extra armour? How about more side armour for flank attacks?

Should it be mentioned that the Soviets did not think highly of the Churchills they recieved.

You were the one making statements about using a dive bomber. So I want to know how did the Stuka do in its glory days with such targets since you are the one telling us great dive bombers are.

Sure the Vengeance from 10,000ft and up could tell with all the smoke and dust what to attack!!!

StuG G had a ground pressure of 13.5 psi on the road and 9.7 psi at bogging point. Figures for Churchill VII were 13.1 and 8.6.
The Churchills did bog on occasion, but they did so slowly allowing the crews to stop, reverse and try somewhere else. Since the line was advancing those that bogged could be recovered. The Germans lost StuGs that bogged. But the fact was that StuGs stuck to the roads, and changed their ambush position frequently. Without a turret they needed hard standing to align the gun. The Churchills went slowly across country.
The Germans were as surprised in 1945 about the ability of the Churchill to go cross country as they were when they appeared on Longstop Hill in North Africa in 1943. And the Germans said so in both cases.

That's how it was in 1945. Believe it or not, it's up to you.

The Soviets received Churchill I and II, IIRC. You're right; they certainly didn't want Churchill VII.