To Sudek 13

[SMF144]

Originally Posted by FalkeEins

..copyright infringments are upheld in courts of law ..ergo only the judge would able to rule on that one ...

(your) ignorance is no defence..

Come on Neil, who says that Sudek 13 is the master and keeper of one said positive image? You should know by now that many copies of the same positive image were made to hand out to the group when printed, so as far as I am concerned, Laurent has every right to do what he wants to do, regardless of the quality of the image.

I somehow doubt Sudek 13 has gone to each and every individual he's purchased photos from and has asked for the copyright; especially on images that it has expired.

Stephen

[harrison987]

I have dealt with copyright for years. All WW2 photos are FREE DOMAIN, unless the original photographer placed a copyright on the photos and CONTINUED a copyright after death. 10 years (more or less depending on where you live), after the original photographers death if no copyright is placed/renewed, they are FREE DOMAIN, and cannot be copy written again.

Owning an original photo does not and will not give anyone copyright. They would have to be the original photographer, and have a copyright the original negative. In death, the family naturally "inherits" the copyright, but if they do not register the copyright after his death, and 10 years have gone by, it becomes free domain (public domain).


mike

[SMF144]

Hi Mike,

That's interesting and it's what I figured; mind you, the copyright laws are always changing, so who knows what's what. Here's what get's me. First off, life is short. We all agree on that; I hope? Now, in the case of Laurent, he's probably been working on a labour of love for a long time and the only thing he's going to benefit is seeing his baby in print. I know because I've been there. Hell, if I had saved all of the money I've spent on copying veterans photos and log books, I would have moved out of my parents house a lot sooner than I did and would have had a many women and good times spent in bars under my belt but's that passion for you and I don't regret that I was able to interact with living history. Now, unless you are pumping out 5-8 plus books a year, there's no way in hell that you are even going to make a living as being an author unless you strike the cord first time around. In the case of Sudek 13, he or she or what has a lot of money and I don't begrudge that fact but if you wanna be the bully on the block and buy up everything and play the big yes I am or a vacuum cleaner for that matter, then we fine, there's nothing we can do about that but in the end we all loose. From the sounds of it, "we", yes white man, "we" are the ones loosing out on what could be an excellent publication or a missing link for that matter and I do feel for Laurent. In the case of Sudek 13, he, she, or what has a photo that I am really interested in, but I am not going to jump through the bloody flaming hoops just to get the nod or even make contact. I don't have time for that crap because I've got better things to do with my time. But you know what? A photo might be worth a thousand words, but only if you know what's going on in the photo and I can tell you right now, unless I am too cocky myself, Sudek 13 doesn't know what value of the photos I am interested in and the only way he's going to find out is if purchases my book.

Stephen

[Franek Grabowski]

One thing to clarify. We are interested in period (1939-1945) copyright law only (plus EPA), as one of the basic rules is that the law cannot work backwards.

[WEISNER]

Well....If I were this Sudek13? and I were reading this thread, The post above by SMF would turn me right off. Any chance of collaboration would become nil.
Who knows what the persons motives are? I am sure we all can guess? and probably all of us writeing in this thread have been stomped down in the last min. of bidding on the bay by him.
Before you come back fireing with both barrels SMF, Put yourself in this persons shoes. He has the means to buy this stuff, that is the beauty of our society? Perhaps in the future he will make this all available to those interested? Doubt it is my first thought, Then again Who knows?! Could he be contacted and worked with? Perhaps if a person shows genuine interest in his collection and an unhostile manner? Again.... Who Knows?
As for the Copyright's, As above stated in so many words....I suggest you contact a lawyer, as one never know's what loophole can be used in such a case, Especially when one has lot's of $$$$ to follow through with a lawsuit to make A point.
Just my thoughts, And YES!!! I have been blown out by this person at the last second while bidding on the bay, Yea, It Hurt. On the other hand I am not an Author trying to get the proper photos for my work, Only a collector of sorts so perhaps I do not feel your pain.
Kevin

[Franek Grabowski]

Law is extremelly clear. No copyright for German stuff.

[Horst Kube]

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski

Law is extremelly clear. No copyright for German stuff.

Franek, all you brought it up to this theme is 100% right. I can't understand the motivatinos of some members, which still want to be oppsite against clear legal matters... and still are shivering against the truth.

Cheers, Horst

[brewerjerry]

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski

Law is extremelly clear. No copyright for German stuff.

hi
Sorry but not quite true, Copyright for ww2 can still be claimed & held.

a company here in canada is claiming it copyright on the following ww2 german documents .
( To be clear I am nothing to do with the company)

note the date of publication and the author,
and copyright was still given

Cheers
Jerry

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/cipo/c...1&language=eng

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/cipo/c...1&language=eng

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/cipo/c...1&language=eng

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/cipo/c...1&language=eng

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/cipo/c...1&language=eng

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/cipo/c...1&language=eng

[John Vasco]

Jerry,

Interesting. What is the link between Sicuro Publishing and the Focke-Wulf and Messerschmitt companies. Or do they simply hold a copy of each document?

[Dan O'Connell]

How can Willy have any thing to do with a Dora?