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Old 25th September 2007, 23:58
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Re: Bf.110G-4 shot down on night 27/28th May 1944

Hi Stig,

Well, my copy is the Deutsche Nachtjagd - Materialverluste in Ausbildung und Einsatz & Ergänzungen zu Personalverlusten in Ausbildung und Einsatz, edition 1999.

The page you mentioned starts with 20th december 1943 in my copy.

Are we both referring to different editions perhaps?

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Old 26th September 2007, 00:43
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Re: Bf.110G-4 shot down on night 27/28th May 1944

Balss did two books, one on personnel losses, and one on material losses. I suspect each of you has one of the books.

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Old 26th September 2007, 01:18
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Re: Bf.110G-4 shot down on night 27/28th May 1944

The "Personalverluste..."-book was printed in about only 1000 copies and is totally sold out.

But AFAIK, there are plans about a reprint with correctures and additions (source: M. Balss, 2006).

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Old 26th September 2007, 10:13
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Re: Bf.110G-4 shot down on night 27/28th May 1944

Any resolution possible on which Mossie this was? I had 140032 down to Reeves, with Bailey claiming a Damaged in the same area.

I also had 140032 crewed by Uffz Joachim Tank (age 26, pilot), WIA, Uffz Ludwig Serwein (21, radar operator), and Gefr. Otto Morath (23, air gunner), both KIA.

Meh - edited for sources. "Confounding the Reich" by Martin Bowman lists the 110's crew as above, but says it came down at Aachen. "Fighter Command War Diaries" has it at Leeuwarden. Another source says Bailey's claim was 24/25 May...
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Old 26th September 2007, 11:40
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Re: Bf.110G-4 shot down on night 27/28th May 1944

Bailey's attack was definitely the same night that they baled out-although they did not see it crash, their attack resulted in an explosion and a shower of debris. Tank came down at Spannum (from memory) whilst I will have to check the NVM for the crew list when I am home tomorrow
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Old 26th September 2007, 13:18
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Hello Hans

If your email is still the same , I have send the NVLM .

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Old 26th September 2007, 16:23
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Re: Bf.110G-4 shot down on night 27/28th May 1944

Hi Hans

Just as Frank says, Balss has published two books. If you look at the one you have it also says "Ergänzungen zu Personalverlusten, etc". Although as Frank says the title is different from the first one, the layout is more or less exactly the same and your book contains first of all additional information to vol 1 but also new accidents/crashes which had come to light during the intervening years. The reason Balss changed the title slightly in his vol 2 into Materialverluste instead of Personalverluste is most likely the German "bad" habit during the war NOT to mention the crew involved if not killed, wounded or missing. A large number of the accidents, if you again look in your volume, lacks all kind of crew names.

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