Another wreck of Bf110

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, guys.

In my opinion the WNr written on the armour plate is 3722 and not 3122.

As these remains were found near a railway station, I would rather speculate that these remains are dumped parts that were recovered but later decided not to be returned by rail when the rest of the wreckage from one or more aircraft wrecks were returned to the repair system.

Regards,
Andreas B

[stephen f. polyak]

Yet the supposed '1' on the plate in no way resembles the numeral one written in the example either. What do the records tell us about W.Nr. 3122? That may resolve it nicely. Poor eyes and all, I still go with 3722 ;-)

[John Vasco]

Let's fly in the face of what's before our eyes. Never mind the fact that 3722 crashed in a completely different part of the Soviet Union. Never mind the fact that 3722 was an 'E-2' and the plate shows a 'C-2'. What do I know?

[FPSOlkor]

Originally Posted by Tomislav Haramincic

Hello all,

I've looked up the places on map and there seem to be a quite big distance between Chudovo (Novgorod region) and Lipowo (Ukraine). As the remains were found near a railway station, is it possible that these remains are from many different planes? Have you checked if there are other parts from other planes in the pile?
I'm not Bf 110 expert, so i can't really tell what the exact difference is between the C-2 and E-2 models is, and if parts from a C-2 can be used/reused on a E-2. Perahps someone knows more about this?

regards,
Tomislav

There also is a Lipovo near Leningrad...

[Horst Weber]

Andreas !

For me as an origin German who went to primary school from 1964 to 1968, is this digit in question a "7" without any doubts. We learned in school writing a "7" like this, but with dash in it. A "1" was always straight and not curved, like a "7".

Best regards,

Horst Weber

[Franek Grabowski]

As a neighbour with similar writing habits I can confirm. This is definetelly 7, and it is common to write it both ways, with and without dash.

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Originally Posted by FPSOlkor

There also is a Lipovo near Leningrad...

Yes you are right, (I found another in Poland). I guess this Lipovo near Leningrad should be the right Lipovo. The base of I./ZG26 at that time was Sarudinye which is also in this region.
I think we solved this part of the mystery. What remains are the C-2 marked plates. I would like to point out the possibilty that these parts that were found might not all be from the same airplane. As Andreas already said, these parts my have been transported from a collecting site back to Germany, and Chudowo was perhaps just a station where such wrecks and parts were loaded on the train.

[RT]

3122 was lost by IV.NJG1 training unit, nd didn't appear in the losses of 1941 or 1942

Rémi

[stephen f. polyak]

Thanks to one and all who entered this thread. The exchange of information and give & take of ideas and opinions is enjoyable to follow and rewarding to our mutual understanding of bits of history.

As to the C-1/C-2 plates and W.Nr. 3722 being a E-2, Bf 110 parts with plates marked for the ‘C’ models were also found on other models - this is what I think we’re seeing here. Also a possibility, as noted, this collection of parts may represent more than one airplane.

[markjsheppard]

Hi

The only thing I can add is that Bf110 E-2 W.Nr4502 (CD+MV) coded M8+ZE of Stab/ZG76 and 6./(Z)/JG5 was recovered from Russia in 1992. On looking at the airframe in greater detail it was found the airframe was constructed on 3084, a C model.

We know a whole group in the 30xx, 31xx Bf110's were not completed and most likely upgraded and completed in a new batch of E models

3722 as an E could well have had been started as a C but completed as an E.

regards

MS