Luftwaffe unit emblems - "Battle of Britain" era

[F19Gladiator]

Originally Posted by robert

I have seen better photos so there is no option for owl.

Robert

I trust you have a very good picture memory Robert, but would it possible for you to make arrangements to see one of these 'better photos" for our enlightment on this subject, preferrably posted for others to create their own opinion? I understand from your answers that these "better photos" are not in your possession but you seem to be in a good relation to the owner(s).

I can understand that some might find it a bit irritating, even stupid, to bring up long established "facts", regarding Luftwaffe emblems for discussion, but I suppose this is one of the reasons why forums like this exist - for learning and also sometimes to test old dogma around luftwaffe camouflage and markings and other subjects which are far from fully explored yet.
I learn something every day I visit this forum and I love it!

Regarding this emblem, which I have been posting pictures of, I have so far learnt that:

1.Good pictures are scarce.
2.Pictures I have posted indicates that the emblem might have been photographed in both finished and not yet fininshed versions - some alternatively possibly abrased by wear.
3.Someone (Larry??) owns better pictures but they have not yet been published - not to my knowledge at least.
4.Axel Urbanke published an alternative explanation of what the emblem depicts in "Luftwaffe im Focus", which by some forum participants has been bluntly turned down.
5.The background story of the emblem, it's inspiration and why it replaced the "Grasshopper" emblem has not yet been explained.
6. Date of it's introduction is not known for certain.

.......and as you have noticed I have objections against the emblem resembling an eagle! It might have been intended to represent an eagle, but it doesn't look like one or at least is a very untypical representation of the well known bird - All according to my own eyes of course!

Based on the above findings 1-6, I conclude that there is a lot more to learn again. Fine!

However, as I in my hobbies as well as in my occupation for a living, usually do not take all "facts" at face value, I kindly ask anyone who has any substantial evidence supporting fact based answers regarding this emblem to share them with us in order to increase our knowledge.

I am fully aware of that much has been lost over the passing 67 years since 1940, but still surprisingly much material previously unseen surfaces today!

(When I started getting interested in Luftwaffe markings in the 1960's I could never dream of the amount of publications coming out forty years later and the detailed information available, as already by then WW2 was something way back in time in my mind and anticipating much was already lost for ever. For those who were not around or old enough to read books at that time, go and check what was available and published in 1965 and compare with today. Amazing development!)

Again, I am looking for sources, including photographic material, regarding this emblem explaining it's origin, motif and use.

Cheers to all participating in the discussion!
Goran