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Old 3rd May 2005, 14:36
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

Actually 4 MDL (previously 1 PDL) was subordinated to 16 Vozdushnaya Armya. 3 PLSz was previously 611 ShAP and consisted of Soviet personnel, mostly Russians. Only in the last days of the war some Poles finaly arrived to the unit. It was the worst unit in the division, suffering serious disciplinary problems.
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Old 3rd May 2005, 15:48
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

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It was the worst unit in the division, suffering serious disciplinary problems.
Interesting! Couldn't you please give us some examples of what you mean, when it took place, and - above all - please the sources to that?
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Old 3rd May 2005, 19:19
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

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Interesting! Couldn't you please give us some examples of what you mean, when it took place, and - above all - please the sources to that?
I have written about that to you so many times, that I am not willing to do that again. Sorry.
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Old 3rd May 2005, 23:28
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

Hi, Franek,

Thank's a lot for the information!

This model used the colors of the Il-2 of 3 PLSz?

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Old 4th May 2005, 00:00
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

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I am afraid I cannot find any photo of 3 PLSz Il-2 at the moment. There are some of 6 PLSz aircraft, taken just after the war but they do not allow to make any conclusions. Anyway the camouflage was three tone and wings and fuselages were wooden - the model is wrong.
By the way, Stormovik means ground attack and by no means is the aircraft nick. Il-2 was widely known as Gorbatyj or Hunchback.
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Old 3rd May 2005, 18:14
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

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3 PLSz was previously 611 ShAP and consisted of Soviet personnel, mostly Russians. Only in the last days of the war some Poles finaly arrived to the unit.
Hi, Franek,

Same using the Polish flag the Il-2 was piloted by soviet's?
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Old 3rd May 2005, 18:19
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This profile is correct?
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Old 3rd May 2005, 19:17
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

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Same using the Polish flag the Il-2 was piloted by soviet's?
I am not sure, there is very little photographic wartime record of the so called Polish aviation, but I believe all the aircraft had Polish checkerboards. Certainly all the Soviet personnel received Polish uniforms much to their dissapointment.
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This profile is correct?
No. Solid coloured Il-2s appeared in Poland only post-war. All the wartime aircraft had standard Soviet camouflage of the period. Some of them, those which survived long enough, were repainted post-war.
The profile seems not to be based on any photo and I would not use it as a refference.
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Old 4th May 2005, 00:32
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

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Actually 4 MDL (previously 1 PDL) was subordinated to 16 Vozdushnaya Armya.
What means 1 PDL?
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Old 4th May 2005, 12:11
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

1 Polska Dywizja Lotnicza - 1 Polish Aviation's Division
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