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Old 15th January 2008, 00:08
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Re: JG54 Victories

Hello!

15Ost99553 is over Gotska Sandön-island which is Swedish territory on Baltic Sea. It is not Gulf of Finland area. Distance from Tartu (Dorpat) some 360 km.

25Ost99553 is near Pljussa some 130 km from Tartu. Though Leykauf may have flown also from Pskov. Leykauf claimed over German 18th Army area (see attachment).

Decide yourself which one is the more likelier.

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Old 15th January 2008, 06:11
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Re: JG54 Victories

Kari,
I looked at it again and they have that plane being lost in the Baltic Sea with credit for it's loss as 11./JG54. The PlQu that I looked at in JFV 6/II shows it as open sea above that island. It also showed that they had been making raids in the Tallin area in days before this incident.
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Old 15th January 2008, 09:48
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Re: JG54 Victories

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Please. Consider the geography also. Took a look of this map for example:
http://www.bellabs.ru/51/Index/Map-Baltic800.html

In my mind there is no doubt whatsoever that Leykauf did NOT claim his Boston over Baltic Sea. Gotska Sando is not near Tallinn for heaven's sake.

What is possible is that the 1 GvMTAP Boston was on one of the "standard" return routes from Baltic Sea which went over Bay of Riga towards East until over frontline and then back to home base. This would take the plane to the area near Pljussa. A PoW interrogation protocol explains these routes and this I have learned after my posting in Feb 2007 (#8).

In other words I find it now plausible that it indeed was 1 GvMTAP Boston. But the shoot-down location is over land, near Pljusssa.


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11Sep42 08:16- (Moscow)
9 Hurricanes of 3GIAP KBF escorted 4 Pe-2's of 73 BAP KBF
1st Pe-2 was shot down then the Hurricane of Mayor Alexandr Fyodorovich Myasnikov (3 victories and 15 shared; KIA). 2nd Pe-2 was damaged and escorted back to base.

JFV 9/III by Jochen Prien
9./JG54 Oblt Karl Frentzel-Beymo Pe-2 (8) 07:25 00264
9./JG54 Obfw Wilhelm Schilling MiG-3 (44) 07:30 00264
3./JG54 Obfw Rudolf Rademacher Pe-2 (21) 07:30 0025
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Re: JG54 Victories

Thanks, Nokose!

For that day I find two Mig-3 claimed by Wilhelm Schilling, both same location, but one at 1800m, the other at 600m... (Anerkennungsnummer 277 and 278)
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The other one according to JFV9/III was at 11:50 which I don't have anything.
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