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Old 4th May 2005, 22:49
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Re: Hartmann ....352 victories or 80?

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It simply means that the German pilots were not credited with shared victories. If several pilots have fired at the same aircraft (and noticed the fact), only one of them received credit. Thus it is not possible to say how many of Hartmann's victories were shared ones.
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Re: Hartmann ....352 victories or 80?

As I recall, the matter of unshared victories is briefly mentioned in Heinz Knoke's autobiography, in which, I believe, he mentions shooting down a bomber earlier damaged by a friend. I cannot remember who received credit for the a/c but if you have the book "I flew for the Fuhrer" and compare it against the victories detailed on his Internet site, it should give you an idea.

As to sharing victories, weren't 5 Canadians given shares of an Me 262 they all took shots at?
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