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Old 18th February 2008, 01:05
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
A few more:-

1/ 6-2-45 3/NAGr 1 Bf 109G-14 780400 Jagerbeschuss North of Venlo Gef.Hubert Mack missing
2/ 16-2-45 2/NAGr 1 Bf109G6 230290 Feindbschuss Ufff.Karl Lenk +
3/ 16-2-45 2/NAGr 1 Bf 109 G6's w.n.s 200282,230297 and 230826 all shown as Feindbeschuss 100% pilots uninjured,

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Old 18th February 2008, 10:59
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
Some more 16th. Feb. seems to have been a bad day:-

1/ 16-2 2/NAGr.1 Bf 109G-6 20523 Bauchldng.inf Bedienungsfehler Fl.Pl.Niedermendig 20% ( w.n. from LW QM's list is at odds with Johns info).
2/ 16-2 2/NAGr.1 Bf109G6 205659 crashed following Feindbsschuss N/E Mayen pilot safe.
3/ 16-2 2/NAGr.1 Bf109G6 709559 crashed following Feindbeschuss south of Wittlich pilot safe.
4/ 5-3 3/NAGr.1 Bf109G6 230287 Ltn. Max Haberl missing from combat mission.

It is sometimes hard to read the details on screen but I believe these are correct,

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Old 18th February 2008, 12:59
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
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A few more:-

1/ 6-2-45 3/NAGr 1 Bf 109G-14 780400 Jagerbeschuss North of Venlo Gef.Hubert Mack missing
2/ 16-2-45 2/NAGr 1 Bf109G6 230290 Feindbschuss Ufff.Karl Lenk +
3/ 16-2-45 2/NAGr 1 Bf 109 G6's w.n.s 200282,230297 and 230826 all shown as Feindbeschuss 100% pilots uninjured,

Source LW Quatermasters list

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Brian Bines
Gefr. Mack crashed near Vierlingsbeek (Netherlands) and at 16-2-45 no planes of NAGr 1 crashed in the Netherlands.
Hubert Mack was buried in a fieldgrave 150 m east of P.Gommers, east of the road Venlo-Boxmeer.
After the war his remains were transferred to Ysselsteyn in March 1950.
The total amount of NAGr 1 losses in the Netherlands were:
45-01-22 Neede
Bf 109G-6 230115
3./NAGr 1 pilot unknown

45-02-06 Twente (A/D.)
Bf 109G-5 110540
3./NAGr.1 pilot unknown

45-02-06 Vierlingsbeek
Bf 109G-14 780400
3./NAGr.1 Gfr. H.Mack

45-02-10 Lochem
Bf 109G-6 412169
3./NAGr.1 Uffz. A.Mittelmayer

45-02-11 Balgoij (across Meuse-opposite A/D Keent)
Bf 109G-6 230500
3./NAGr.1 Ofhr. K-H.Piper
All information from the losslist of the Dutch Study Group Airwar 1939-1945.

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Old 18th February 2008, 19:26
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
Gentlemen,
I'm impressed! Thank you very much for your informations.

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Old 18th February 2008, 19:36
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
Die 3./NAGr 1 war in Twenthe von 1.45 bis 3.45(?). Auch da gab es Verluste. Flogen auch mit in Bodenplatte.

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Jaap, die 230115 wurde geflogen von Ofhr. Helmut Stütz, 3./NAGr 1. Bestattet in Enschede, jetzt Ysselsteyn R-1-4.
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
NAGr.1 hat an dogfight with P-51 from 354th FG at that days over Wittlich, Rhauen etc. lost four 109 and minimum two Pilots.
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
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Originally Posted by Jaap Woortman View Post
Gefr. Mack crashed near Vierlingsbeek (Netherlands) and at 16-2-45 no planes of NAGr 1 crashed in the Netherlands.
Hubert Mack was buried in a fieldgrave 150 m east of P.Gommers, east of the road Venlo-Boxmeer.
After the war his remains were transferred to Ysselsteyn in March 1950.
The total amount of NAGr 1 losses in the Netherlands were:
45-01-22 Neede
Bf 109G-6 230115
3./NAGr 1 pilot unknown

45-02-06 Twente (A/D.)
Bf 109G-5 110540
3./NAGr.1 pilot unknown

45-02-06 Vierlingsbeek
Bf 109G-14 780400
3./NAGr.1 Gfr. H.Mack

45-02-10 Lochem
Bf 109G-6 412169
3./NAGr.1 Uffz. A.Mittelmayer

45-02-11 Balgoij (across Meuse-opposite A/D Keent)
Bf 109G-6 230500
3./NAGr.1 Ofhr. K-H.Piper
All information from the losslist of the Dutch Study Group Airwar 1939-1945.

Jaap
Hello
45-01-22 Neede
Me 109G-6 230115
3./NAGr 1 , 1 pilot unknown
Here the loss list is incorrect!!
A/C crashed nr Eibergen
Pilot: Obfhr Helmut Stütz KIA
buried at Enschede now Ysselsteyn: R-1-4
source: WASt
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Old 20th February 2008, 10:12
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
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Hello
45-01-22 Neede
Me 109G-6 230115
3./NAGr 1 , 1 pilot unknown
Here the loss list is incorrect!!
A/C crashed nr Eibergen
Pilot: Obfhr Helmut Stütz KIA
buried at Enschede now Ysselsteyn: R-1-4
source: WASt
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Thanks Karl,

have send the improvements to Frans Auwerda.

Jaap Woortman
secr. Dutch Study group Airwar 1939-1945
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Old 28th February 2008, 23:27
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
Gentlemen,

sorry for another question regarding more or less the same unit:

Is there anything known about the a/c, circumstances and crash locations of the following pilots of 4./(F)123, all killed on 19.09.1944:

Uffz. Ernst Henkel
Gefr. Heinz Zettier
Gefr. Hermann Schmidt
Lt. Wilhelm Begemann

Further: are there any known losses of 2./NAGr. 2 while operating from Limburg-Linter a/f?

Thanks in advance,

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