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Old 16th March 2008, 21:16
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Re: Perssonel LW's losses over Poland IX 1939?

"The books done by M. Emmering are perfectly "cleaned" from such perssonel losses data, he is focusing only on material losses (mostly if more then 60% damages)"

I think you just kidding or you don`t know these books.
Just read these books and you will know all personal losses from fighter, bomber and Schlachtflieger units.

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Old 17th March 2008, 20:26
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Re: Perssonel LW's losses over Poland IX 1939?

Hi Rober
I do not know how much do you know Emmerling books (3: 2002-2006) but I sustain what I have said about this claim.
Thera are no exacte data = full name list = about LW's loses over Poland sustained by LW's units.

There are of course in the text mentioned from time to time such information (personal loses), but this is not a standard procedure but his "wish" or something else (? - "eveil knows").
Second if you know his books the losses under 60% are also not fully included, and mentioned in the end of the each chapter (day-cahpter).

I wonder, but I do not find this information too, about comabt mission (sorties) doane by LW's units (force's arm) over Poland too. For example how much were done mission/sorties by fighter, or by bomber, or by dive-bomber (general data).

Emmerling well knows my opinion about his book, after the first he got my letter about the part I.

Sorry but I well know what I want to say. Anyway he is a good source about German, material losses over 60%, other losses are presented from time to time (if cocnerning 60-20% losses).

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Of course if you put his own, private list about these losses it is interesting to know it it cocenring such data about losses according each "force arm"
1. Fighter
2. Bomber
3. Dive-bomber units.

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Old 17th March 2008, 21:18
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Re: Perssonel LW's losses over Poland IX 1939?

Hi,

e.g I have 115 German planes lost and damaged (at various degree - therein some 60 damaged below 60%) only on the 1st September so I don`t understand what are you taking about?
I compiled this data at 90% from Marius books so I really can advise you to read carefully Marius books.

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Old 28th April 2010, 12:12
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Re: Perssonel LW's losses over Poland IX 1939?

Hi Robert,
I think Mirek is kidding us and me especially. Just another one senseless personal attack directed against "Germans". I don`t understand this. Auschwitz cannot be the reason alone.

"Cleaned" personal losses is one more myth.

All known personal and material losses under 60% (so far known from the documentation) are given in the text. The complete material losses for September 1939 (also 20-60%) are listed in the appendixes.

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Old 28th April 2010, 17:29
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I hv to add that , prior of the books of Marius , we knew , from the HQ returns 200 or 300 losses after the books of Marius we hv now a bit less than a thousand ...names collected is also around the thousand

Difficult to believe that huge amount of "hidden" losses could be added

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