allied pilots in luftwaffe

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by Sergio Luis dos Santos

Hi Yves, in fact I could trace two Brazilian pilots in Luftwaffe:

http://www.mach2.hpg.ig.com.br/Mach2Egon.htm (Egon Albrecht) and

http://www.ipmscuritiba.com.br/materias/wolfgang.html (Wolfgang Ortmann)

Hugs.

I would not call them Brasilians, rather Germans with Brasilian citizenship or place of birth. There is a big difference between nationality and citizenship.

[Sergio Luis dos Santos]

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski

I would not call them Brasilians, rather Germans with Brasilian citizenship or place of birth. There is a big difference between nationality and citizenship.

Remember the only "original" Brazilians are the indians. Brasil was formed by diferent waves of imigrants, starting with Portuguese. So, both them were born in Brasil and fought as Brazilians in Luftwaffe. And, following your thoughts, several German soldiers were not German also.

[Ruy Horta]

Well he has a point since these would still be considered as Volksdeutschen, unlike for instance dutch volunteers who served with the Waffen SS.

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by Ruy Horta

Well he has a point since these would still be considered as Volksdeutschen, unlike for instance dutch volunteers who served with the Waffen SS.

I think they could qualify for Reichsdeutschers. The answer is of course in their personal papers.

[brewerjerry]

Hi All,
Many thanks for the replies,
My term 'allied nations' , maybe I should have used the term 'non axis nations' ? ( i.e. not german, italian, spanish, etc.)
Most interesting the reasons behind why there were so few, It is a subject that has suddenly un-explainably interested me.

Yves Marino,

'danish, swedish, french, russian brazilian '
this sounds most interesting, I would be most interested in the title of the book , although my german knowledge is very very basic.

I know nationality and birth place always brings 'interesting' discussions.
Again many thanks all for the replies.
Cheers
jerry

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by Sergio Luis dos Santos

Remember the only "original" Brazilians are the indians. Brasil was formed by diferent waves of imigrants, starting with Portuguese. So, both them were born in Brasil and fought as Brazilians in Luftwaffe. And, following your thoughts, several German soldiers were not German also.

Not exactly. PAF was a multinational force, there served eg. Americans, Chechs, Estonians, Slovaks, etc. I am even awared of a French airmen who choose to serve with Poles rather than in his native AF. It was clearly distinguished nationality and citizenship, so for example we had American Poles and American Americans enlisted.
Concerning German soldiers, you are absolutelly right. I have been personally talking with a one, who was a Polish citizen, who was a forced labour and then enlisted with a 10 years trial German citizenship. He was trained in Jutland together with some 100 other soldiers like him, only two of them signing Volksliste. Guess what they did when send to a front in Luxembourg.

[Robert Reid]

Not Pilot, but Friedrich Gustav Hansen born Melrose Scotland 9 jan 1913, KIA 9 jan 1941, JU88 from Stab I KG30, crashed Breda Holland (radio Operator) father German, mother Scottish, taken to Germany 1920, Father very bitter about treatment during ww1. Brother William (Willi) Wilson Hamsen died Prien 3 May 1945 of wounds ? unit buried Traunstein.
A friend was at School with them 1919-20 in Melrose Scotland.

Hansen Family last Address Magdeburg in May 1945
Nothing about them in German military/Luftwaffe records except date of death and crash report for 9 jan 1941 (from Chris Goss and Jap Woortman)

Anyone Have any info on KG30 at Eindhoven late 1940/41. Had contact but
no response from address emailed to me last year

Robert

[edwest]

Some information can be found in the book "In the Skies of Europe" by Hans Werner Neulen. Text is English.



Usual disclaimer,
Ed

[brewerjerry]

Hi,
For others that might be interested found this site during my research
http://jpgleize.club.fr/aces/ww2luft.htm
Cheers
Jerry

[edwest]

Wow! Thanks Jerry.



Ed