List of "aces" in Bf110 units during 1939-40 with 10 or more victories

[Evgeny Velichko]

Hi all!

Originally Posted by Larry Hickey

...So he had 18 "confirmed" victories and one "probable" as we say in the USA, to reach his total of 19 for his RK, with the "probable" never being officially confirmed...

Luftwaffe pilots never score Probable claims. Look on Walter Nowotny photo when he was captured with chield showing "Congratulations with 300th victory!". But "officialy" he had only 255 on Ostront.

They just OR confirm it (even really strange and optimistic claims as Hartmann's or Rudorffer's) and pilot could place abschussebalken on fin, OR NOT confirm it, and it was no matter how many "unconfirmed" victories pilot has - they never counts officially.

So, if as we all see M8+IP show us 19 confirmed victories, we need to find "missed" victory.

[Kapper]

Evigny

The claims of the 15/5/40 and 15/8/40 that you state as not being in Tony Woods list, I believe they are included but under Jabs Bf 'Uffz Erich Weissflog.'

15.05.40Uffz. Erich Weissflog 6./ZG 76 Morane £ Montcornet: 800 m. 14.25 Film C. 2035/II VNE: ASM
15.08.40Uffz. Erich Weissflog 6./ZG 76 Hurricane £ - 18.45 OKL C. 2031/I Nr. 51037/41

There is also another for the 15/5 for Wiessflog at the same time (14.25) but I think this is a double up.

15.05.40 Uffz. Erich Weissflog 6./ZG 76 Morane £ Montcornet: 800 m. 14.25 OKL C. 2036/I Anerk: Nr.-

In addition 2 of the claims for Jabs on the 4/9/40 are at the same time (14.07) which could possibly be a double up in Woods list.

04.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs 6./ZG 76 Spitfire £ - 14.07 OKL C. 2031/I Nr. 54350/41
04.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs 6./ZG 76 Spitfire £ - 14.07 OKL C. 2031/I Nr. 54350/41

If you include these adjustments the total is 19 in accordance to Stigs list.


Regards,

Craig..

[Evgeny Velichko]

Originally Posted by Kapper

Evigny

Evgeny Eugen... Eugene Евгений.

Originally Posted by Kapper

If you include these adjustments the total is 19 in accordance to Stigs list.

Thx for this info. It confirmes that bortfunkers claims were included to "crew" score, but listed as "personal" victoryes of pilot. For example in VVS, in Il-2 units, there were usually "shared aces" because this type of claims scored as "shared" (no matter with whom - with another pilot or with own crew member).

So, Larry, the final list would be as follows:

1. 12.05.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hawk-75A  - 07.15
2. 13.05.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Morane  - 18.50
3. 15.05.40 Uffz. Erich Weissflog Morane  Montcornet: 800 m. 14.25
4. 15.05.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Morane  - 14.25
5. 29.05.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  - 14.05
6. 29.05.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  Dünkirchen: 2.500 m. 14.10
7. 07.06.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Morane  - 06.20
8. 15.08.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  - 18.35
9. 15.08.40 Uffz. Erich Weissflog Hurricane  - 18.45 (Spitfire in Stig Jarlevik's list)
10. 15.08.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hurricane  - 18.50
11. 30.08.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hurricane  - 13.00
12. 31.08.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  - 09.54
13. 01.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  - 14.40
14. 01.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hurricane  - 14.45 (Spitfire in Stig Jarlevik's list)
15. 01.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hurricane  - 14.55
16. 04.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  - 14.07
17. 04.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hurricane  Tonbridge: 4.000 m. 14.20
18. 07.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  London: 5.000 m. 19.20
19. 11.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  S. London: 5.500 m. 17.20

[christian]

Hi

The 1.Victory of Scherer was at Diesberg, not Duisburg. He fly a Me Bf 109 D. See the remains of the Blenheim.

Greetings Christian