List of "aces" in Bf110 units during 1939-40 with 10 or more victories

[Larry Hickey]

Gentlemen,

All of your imputs and comments are much appreciated. I believe that this resolves the long-standing mystery about Jabs and his RK during 10.40 for 19 victories, and photos of his rudder at the time with 19 victory tabs.

My thanks to you alll,

[Tom Semenza]

It is quite misleading to equate the bars on a rudder with the officially confirmed total as has been pointed out here. As we all know the Luftwaffe confirmation prossess could take months or even years to complete. However pilots would have their rudder scores updated at the time of the claim. There are numerous examples which can be sited, the earliest I know of is Werner Mölders in Spain where he had 15 bars on the tail of his Bf 109 although only 14 were "official."

Tom

[markjsheppard]

Hi all

Very interesting thread which I thought I would hijack.

In 1992 a Bf110 E-2 (CD+MV) coded M8+ZE of 6.(Z)/JG5 was recovered it was found to carry five victory markings on the tail, one RAF and four Russian. Unfortunately all were unreadable (I never got to see them first hand) but the last victory was dated 15.8.41.These victories belong to when the Bf110 belonged to Stab/ZG76 who were in Norway at the beginning of the Russian campaign in the Arctic Circle?

What I had from 1995

In early 1941, the I/ZG76 Gruppe returned to Germany from Norway, but 110’s of the 2 staffel stayed in Kirkenes with the Zestoyerkette of JG77. In May 1941 the III/ZG76 was disbanded, returning to Germany. Finally, in the Autumn the last Gruppe, the II/ZG76 was itself disbanded. With ZG76 no longer existing, the Stab was in limbo. It is thought stab, aircraft from 2/ZG76 and Jagdkette JG77 operated as an enlarged unit in Northern Norway. It is believed that the staff flight acted as Jafü, a command structure co-ordinating all heavy fighter operations in Luftflotte 5. It is thought that M8+ZE possibly stayed with this new enlarged unit Autumn of 1941 before returning to the 'Werft' (Maintenance Unit) at Stavanger, where it was used as a familiarisation aircraft for new ZG aircrews. Here it stayed until it leftstavanger on 13 February 1942 via aalborg-Copenhagen-Konigsburg-Reval-Helsinki-Pori-Rovaniemi before arriving at Kiestinki on 23th February 1942 when it immediatey began operations with 6.(Z)/JG5 but the codes were never changed. It was lost still carrying M8+ZE on 11th March 1942.

Bit vague I know. We know that Gerhard Schaske flew M8+YE and had 18 victories? but I do not know who the other Stab pilots were or who might have flew M8+ZE. A very long shot but thought I would ask.Any ideas?

regards

Mark

[Evgeny Velichko]

Originally Posted by markjsheppard

...We know that Gerhard Schaske flew M8+YE and had 18 victories?

I have a photo of M8+YE, showing 12 air victory bars and 2 ships on fin. And that is Bf110E-2 of Hptm. Gerhard Schaschke.

Originally Posted by markjsheppard

... but I do not know who the other Stab pilots were or who might have flew M8+ZE...

Unfortunatly, have no idea too

[Kapper]

Evigny

When Walter Scherer was taken prisoner on 25/9/40 his Bf was Gefr. Heinz Schumacher (who was killed). I note that Schumacher is credited with a claim on 3/9/40 in Tony Woods list and if he was Scherer’s regular Bf. it is likely that this is one of the missing claims.

Regards,

Craig...

[Evgeny Velichko]

Originally Posted by markjsheppard

Hi all

Very interesting thread which I thought I would hijack.

In 1992 a Bf110 E-2 (CD+MV) coded M8+ZE of 6.(Z)/JG5 was recovered it was found to carry five victory markings on the tail, one RAF and four Russian. Unfortunately all were unreadable (I never got to see them first hand) but the last victory was dated 15.8.41.These victories belong to when the Bf110 belonged to Stab/ZG76 who were in Norway at the beginning of the Russian campaign in the Arctic Circle?

Bit vague I know. We know that Gerhard Schaske flew M8+YE and had 18 victories? but I do not know who the other Stab pilots were or who might have flew M8+ZE. A very long shot but thought I would ask.Any ideas?

regards

Mark

11-03-1942
Bf110 E-2, 6.(Z)/JG 5, Kirkenes, WNr. 4502, M8+ZE, 100%
Pilot - Uffz. Emil Gross (WiA)
Shot down by MiG-3 of 147 IAP, crashed SW of lake Ordozero, S of Louhi.

Stab./ZG 76 used following codes:

M8+XA, Oberstleutnant Walter Grabmann (Geschwader Kommodore)
M8+YA, Hptm. Gerhard Schaschke (duty is unknown for me - May be Geschaderadjutant?)
M8+ZA, pilot unknown (Uffz. Gross could took this aircraft from usual pilot when was shot down in it)

I have a photo of Bf110E-2, flown by Hptm. Gerhard Schaschke.