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				Re: Soviet air force losses 1941-1945
			 
			1. Combat loss in VVS(PVO) means: 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	a) shot down in aircombat b) shot down by AAA c) damaged destroyed at airfield c) did not return from sortie! 2. Other loss means: a) Accidents/Training b) Weared Note: Especially fighters had many train-versions (i. e. LA-5UTI) which mostly were of course non-combat losses, if so. In 12/1944 "Fremde Heere Ost" calculated the soviet airlosses. Heer and Luftwaffe (=flying units and AAA) claimed 70.256 Airkills! "Fremde Heere Ost" even "guessed" 113.744... . These caluclations are without the claims of the german allies. ZAMO gives for 1944 and only VVS (not PVO and so on) following figures: Shot down in Aircombat: 645 Shot down by AAA: 1049 Did not return from Sortie: 6612! Non Combat: ~11.000 There is of course a high propability, that most "Did not return from Sortie" airplanes, were indeed shot down by Germans anyway, let's guess two third, would made ~ 7000 kills for the Germans in 1944. IIRC alone german fighters claimed ~9000 kills. For the observation of German fighter kills are following examples interesting: IL-2: Shot down in Aircombat: 107 Shot down by AAA: 583 Fighters: Shot down in Aircombat: 508 Shot down by AAA: 376  | 
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