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Old 6th July 2008, 23:50
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Today's official and unofficial policies of political correctness and affirmative action are not only promoted by governmental agencies which also include the public schools and universities, they are being promoted by web sites and television programs
You don't need a bunch of paranoid right-wing garbage to explain the problem (although I suppose if you adopt the name of a Waffen-SS general, maybe you do need it?). The sort of programs and websites that so incense you are simply made by people whose self-confidence vastly and need for an audience exceed their knowledge of the subject in question. Serious history takes lots of patience, dedication effort and money to produce, and with no guaranteed result: qualities almost entirely incompatible with multi-channel TV. The problem is simply one of a commercial context that favours or indeed demands superficiality.
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You don't need a bunch of paranoid right-wing garbage to explain the problem (although I suppose if you adopt the name of a Waffen-SS general, maybe you do need it?).
I cannot call something that was part of National Socialistic German Workers' Party, which introduced May Day, and used a Red Banner, anything close to the right wing!
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I cannot call something that was part of National Socialistic German Workers' Party, which introduced May Day, and used a Red Banner, anything close to the right wing!
The 'right wing garbage' comment was based on the OP's comments about Political Correctness in our school, that's all; it seems that the OP is making the point that many 'more worthy/impressive' fighter pilots who SHOULD be on the list are not, removed & replaced by more 'culturally diverse' icons--Archer, a Black Man; Litvak, a Woman, while ignoring guys like "Adolf Galland, Hans Joachim Marseille, Werner Mölders, Johnnie Johnson, Robert Johnson, etc." OF course I also noted his point that he's trying to make the MC was apparently 'ignoring' German Technology (his comments on the Panther) & personalities (Marshall Blucher at Waterloo);
Take it from me, MANY rightwingers/conservatives(Myself included-mostly) feel that political correctness is an ongoing political effort to 'devalue' & demonize the historical achievements of white males...but since I DON'T get Military Channel I can't comment on too much here;

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Re: Top Ten Aces of the Military Channel

One of my favourite shots is of the Dauntlesses dropping bombs in the film clip of the Pearl Harbour attack. Which proves that the Americans attacked Pearl Harbour so they could blame the Japanese and destroy them to eliminate their rivalry in Asia.

Anyway, it's usually good for a laugh. But, there are usually so many inaccuracies in these programs that it's good mainly for looking for shots of rare vehicles and aircraft, such as the Navy Buffaloes in John Wayne's Seabees.

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Take it from me, MANY rightwingers/conservatives(Myself included-mostly) feel that political correctness is an ongoing political effort to 'devalue' & demonize the historical achievements of white males...
Since "conservative white males" wield the overwhelming mass of economic and political power in the world (and have throughout my white male lifetime) it's amazing how they are apparently so put upon by those cruel political correctness people - insofar as such exist outside the editorial imagination of the "Daily Mail" that is (UK-only cultural reference there).

I would suggest that the quality and content of modern multi-channel TV is not unrelated to the operation of a deregulated, competitive and globalised market. Perhaps "conservative white males" were at the forefront of opposition to so-called "free markets" but I missed it?

Returning to the original topic, the era of air-to-air combat may be all but over and so it is perhaps interesting to consider who might have contributed to development of its techniques and/or been a successful exponent. None of those people win wars on their own though, they are just at the end of a whole system of training, production, national policy etc.
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