Fw 190 D-9 or D-11 photo on ebay!

[Kuba Plewka]

Micke, it is very interesting point. I have compared both photos (from J.Crandall's Doras and P.Rodeike's 190 Jagdlugzeug).
I have cut the middle fusselage section, zoomed and compared chevrons.
Besides that horizontal bar, both chevrons seems to be almost identical or very, very similar in size and placement.
The photo quality of that D-11 from Mr.Crandall "Doras" is lower than that from "Jagflugzeug" and it's really hard to say something more, for example if it has it's fuselage insert joint primed with dark colour as it is visible on 220009.
What is preety visible is that forest around.
That 220009 dora from one photo stands beetwen big trees and bush, that from "DotGC" stands in something like more open field. The same with our EBay Dora.
I think, the photo from EBay and "Doras" shows the same plane but I'm not sure now if it really is 220009.
I'm preety confused now

Thanks for changing my point of view!
Regards

Kuba

[Micke D]

First I have to correct myself: The unit was called Verbandsführerschule des General der Jagdflieger and was stationed at Bad Wörishofen between February and April 1945.


I guess the reason for the similar chevrons and their placement is that they most likely were painted at the same time and maybe using the same template.
I can’t see a white spinner tip on the photo of 220009 in Rodeikes book, but the bright light is reflecting so it may not be possible to see even if it had been white.
One of the photos in Rodeikes book shows that 220009 had no wheels, but they could have been removed anytime before this photo was taken.
The other photo shows that 220009 stand with the nose facing the trees, but it could of course have been moved from the field to this position before the wheels were removed.

So yes Kuba, this is confusing, but fun, for me too!


But my belief is still that the eBay photo and “the Crandall photo” is showing <<-+ with a still unknown W.Nr. and not <<+ W.Nr. 220009.


It’s fascinating that of maybe 20 D-11s built, 4 or 5 has been photographed.

I can also see now that the spinner and prop of what I thought was a second Dora in “the Crandall photo” is the spinner and prop of the Heinkel.


I saw on Eagle Editions website that Jerry Crandallis working on a new book called “The Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Dora, D-9, D-11, D-13” that may explain some of our questions.

This book and the one from Japo by Eric Larger are definitely on my “must have” list.

/Micke D

[O.Menu]

Originally Posted by Micke D

But my belief is still that the eBay photo and “the Crandall photo” is showing <<-+ with a still unknown W.Nr. and not <<+ W.Nr. 220009.


/Micke D

I m 100% with you on this Micke!
They are two differents airplanes no doubt about!

[Jerry Crandall]

Hi Guys;

The photo offered on eBay is obviously a double exposure. It is an Fw 190 D-11 "White << -" and the W. Nr. is not 220009. It is a few digits away from this number. The D-11 "White <<" W. Nr. 220009 and is camouflaged much like the one offered on eBay but in fact they are two separate a/c. I have recently come across several new photos of "White <<-", a very interesting D-11, which I will be publishing in my new Dora book. I have also interviewed the pilot who flew this a/c and have spoken with the person who took this series of photos at Bad Wörishofen.

The He 111 in the photo was part of KG 55.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Jerry Crandall

[Eric Larger]

Hello

I can also confirm that this machine was not Fw190D-11 , W.Nr 220009 , white "<<" found in Bad Wörischoffen (ie JVv 44 The Galland Circus by Robert Fortsyth page 203) . A simple check to do the tip of the spinner , is white on this one and not on W.Nr 220009. and the camouflage scheme is slightly different .

The camouflage schemes of FW190D-11s are really interesting to study ...

All the best to all of you

Eric Larger