'Blackie & Kirk' 406 Sqdn RCAF

[brewerjerry]

Originally Posted by hrossm

Many thanks for the information Jerry - there are some keen divers just down the road from me and I'll ask them if they know anything about the Dornier.......

Hi
Apparently it was outside of the 'dumping zone', so safe to dive.
Ask them if they know about the 109 in cawsand bay, it went in close to shore, but deepish, shot down whilst attacking a cruiser or destroyer, apparently a nice dive.
Can't recall exact details, but could have been 16 or 18 may 42,
109F 'blue 8' JG 2 ?
If i get time I will try to find & unpack my file on the dorniers, It's somewhere in the garage.....
Cheers
Jerry

[Chris Goss]

The Bf 109 F-4 in Cawsand Bay was 16 May 42 Wk Nr 13014 Blue 2 of 10/JG 2 shot down by HMS Cleveland and HMS Brocklesby 1252 hrs killing Lt Hans-Joachim Schulz. There were 2 FW 190s lost 29 Mar 44-Lt Herbert Moeller missing whilst Ofw Hans Lueders baled out 50 kms west of Dinard but his parachute failed to open. Both were 3/SKG 10. Still trying to find the evidence that these Do 217s were carrying Fritz X as the K Reports do not confirm one way or the other apart from this unit operated Fritz X???

[brewerjerry]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

The Bf 109 F-4 in Cawsand Bay was 16 May 42 Wk Nr 13014 Blue 2 of 10/JG 2 shot down by HMS Cleveland and HMS Brocklesby 1252 hrs killing Lt Hans-Joachim Schulz. There were 2 FW 190s lost 29 Mar 44-Lt Herbert Moeller missing whilst Ofw Hans Lueders baled out 50 kms west of Dinard but his parachute failed to open. Both were 3/SKG 10. Still trying to find the evidence that these Do 217s were carrying Fritz X as the K Reports do not confirm one way or the other apart from this unit operated Fritz X???

Hi Chris,
Ai2(g) report states :-

'.... of very great interest for two reasons ......... ,secondly one PC1400FX bomb had been carried..... a special report ........... will be issued .....'

Apparenlty a fuel tank would have been carried on the other rack.


Thanks for the 109 info, I shall correct my ' blue 8' to a 2 , it was apparently one of four attacking a convoy assembling in plymouth sound.

The two FW's you mention, '29 mar 44' is it a typo ?
If so, are there any details on serials/codes of the 190's you could post here ?
There was always the old local rumour of a 190 that went down from this raid off dartmouth.

Cheers
Jerry

[hrossm]

Originally Posted by brewerjerry

Hi
Apparently it was outside of the 'dumping zone', so safe to dive.
Ask them if they know about the 109 in cawsand bay, it went in close to shore, but deepish, shot down whilst attacking a cruiser or destroyer, apparently a nice dive.
Can't recall exact details, but could have been 16 or 18 may 42,
109F 'blue 8' JG 2 ?
If i get time I will try to find & unpack my file on the dorniers, It's somewhere in the garage.....
Cheers
Jerry

Divers information not very relevant (they have been in Looe Divers for around 20 years)......

The only crash sites that I have heard of in the area, are those of two
Lancaster bombers, one off the breakwater and the one off Millendreath.

Bill (another resident) told
me he saw the Millendreath plane actually crash. He said the plane was so
badly damaged that the pilot knew he couldn't land. He had the crew bail out
over land, turned the plane around so that it was heading out to sea, and then
bailed out himself. The plane decided to turn around of its own accord and
started heading back to shore. It finally crashed 150M short of the beach.

The other wreck is off the western end of the breakwater. There's more info
if you follow the link below.

_http://www.submerged.co.uk/breakwater-lancaster.php_
(http://www.submerged.co.uk/breakwater-lancaster.php)

I have dived both sites, many years go, but did not find anything, despite
what the article above says. Mind you there are no specific marks, just a vague
idea of where they are. Also there may not be a lot to find, because of
their age and construction (materials), the nature of their demise and the depth
that they are in (shallow, open to elements in particular wave action).
I'll ask them more when I get home (working in Austria this and next week) but it seems they haven't heard of the Do217 or Bf109. If nothing else it may give them a project to find them.

In the meantime if anyone knows more about the Mosquitoes that started me off (completion of identities, confirmation of nose art ) please can they let me know,
Thanks,
Ross

[brewerjerry]

Originally Posted by hrossm

Divers information not very relevant (they have been in Looe Divers for around 20 years)......

The only crash sites that I have heard of in the area, are those of two
Lancaster bombers, one off the breakwater and the one off Millendreath.

Bill (another resident) told
me he saw the Millendreath plane actually crash. He said the plane was so
badly damaged that the pilot knew he couldn't land. He had the crew bail out
over land, turned the plane around so that it was heading out to sea, and then
bailed out himself. The plane decided to turn around of its own accord and
started heading back to shore. It finally crashed 150M short of the beach.

The other wreck is off the western end of the breakwater. There's more info
if you follow the link below.

_http://www.submerged.co.uk/breakwater-lancaster.php_
(http://www.submerged.co.uk/breakwater-lancaster.php)

I have dived both sites, many years go, but did not find anything, despite
what the article above says. Mind you there are no specific marks, just a vague
idea of where they are. Also there may not be a lot to find, because of
their age and construction (materials), the nature of their demise and the depth
that they are in (shallow, open to elements in particular wave action).
I'll ask them more when I get home (working in Austria this and next week) but it seems they haven't heard of the Do217 or Bf109. If nothing else it may give them a project to find them.

In the meantime if anyone knows more about the Mosquitoes that started me off (completion of identities, confirmation of nose art ) please can they let me know,
Thanks,
Ross

Hi Ross,
If you want a cross on the map for the Bf109 let me know, it's 'a good cross', the last guy who used it,dived and found a cockpit bomb panel data plate.
I'll try to find my files, I have a photo of blackie and kirk taken by the mossie nose, & maybe a few more.
Cheers
Jerry

[Chris Goss]

AHB have found the K reports which state that apparently Fritz X were carried. You live & learn. Yes, typo-for Mar read Apr. Too much to do and too little time to do it

[brewerjerry]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

AHB have found the K reports which state that apparently Fritz X were carried. You live & learn. Yes, typo-for Mar read Apr. Too much to do and too little time to do it

Hi Chris,
To much to do... hopefully then, it means more of your excellent books in the future ?
Makes my Christmas list easier.....
Cheers
Jerry

[Chris Goss]

Jerry: Night jabo book will be out after Xmas and I am in negotiation for 2 more books. However, I find it easier and more rewarding writing articles! When I say busy I mean day job, 3 daughters, 2 cats, one wife (not in that order) plus I am a rugby referee and have been tied up this week 20-24 Nov on rugby duties. Oh for a 48 hour day!