Losses of FK I on 29.5.44

[yogybär]

Also afaik 6 planes were lost on 30th of May (while flying).

Maybe that can be traced?

[yogybär]

... Or is anyone willing to share loss data from III./JG52, SG2, SG10, KG4, NAGr.14 or rumanian units in the timeframe 28.05-8.06.1944?

For the soviet side, I have some information already.

Also, anything on comat flight reports or such is wellcome... i.e. I got info that there were 1100 flights on 30th of May alone...

I found out that nearly all air battles in tha time were ca. 20-30km N of Iasi, where two small german ops intended a local improvement of teh defensive positions ("Katja" and "Sonja").

Somehow I feel that this forum does neglect my thread here .

PS: I am slightly maniac'ed about this topic because of my year-long work on the map for IL-2 and I got some new infos which I hope to widen now.

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi!

III./JG 52:

29.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
30.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
31.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat

I./SG 2

30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat

II./S.G.2

30.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
02.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
02.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
03.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
04.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
04.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
05.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, combat

More this afternoon

Regards,
Andreas B

[yogybär]

Thank you! I will put here my data on I & II/JG52 and later will try to summarize and combine with ground ops.

Nearly all claims during these battles were made in locations "78 6xx" and "78 8xx". So far, this can be identified on the map below. An open point for me is the "xx" in these locations. Who knows how this can be interpreted?

A cutout of the 1943 Luftwaffe 1:300.000 map of the area:

[yogybär]

Losses of I/JG52:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged on landing
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, air combat (Uffz Lechner KIA)
01.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat ("tech. Mängel")
04.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat ("Betriebsstörung")
05.06.1944 2 aircraft, loss ?, non-combat ("tech. Mängel")
06.06.1944 2 aircraft, loss ?, 1x Motor, 1x combat w 8 P-39 "safe landing, Fw. Nordmann WIA"
09.06.1944 1 aircraft, loss ?, non-combat ("Betriebsstörung")

II/JG52 will follow soon.

One more thing:
On 1st of June, the Axis flew ca. 650 missions, again all in this small area...

[Andreas Brekken]

OK, more summary losses:

I/J.G.52:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat (Fi 156)
01.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
04.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
05.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
09.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

II./J.G.52:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
30.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
30.05.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
31.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
03.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
03.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat
05.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

III./S.G.2:
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
03.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
05.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat

I./S.G.10:
30.05.1944 4 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

II./S.G.10:
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
04.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
04.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
05.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

III./S.G.10:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
05.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
05.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

Stab/N.A.Gr.14:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat

1./N.A.Gr.14:
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat

2./N.A.Gr.14:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat

3./N.A.Gr.14:
05.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

Hope this is of interest.

Regards,
Andreas B

[yogybär]

Superb, thank you! Slowly, I get the full picture concerning the german losses .

If one imagines that one day there were 1.100 Luftwaffe flights over this small area... similar concentration of aircraft like Kursk (measured in flight per km frontline).

[yogybär]

I have to "warm up" this thread...

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

OK, more summary losses:

I/J.G.52:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat (Fi 156)
01.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
04.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
05.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
09.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
[...]

Andreas, there is a discrepancy between your data and mine for the 6th of June: On that day, Fw. Nordmann from 1.Staffel was wounded and made a safe landing in Iasi after DF with 8 Airacobra. The plane was a 109G-6, WkNr 163018 W6 [Barbas, I/JG52].

Is it possible that such an incident would not be reported in your source?

Also, one more plea: Do you also have loss data of 10. & 12./SG9 (Hs129) and/or romanian units during the timeframe 29.5. - 8.6. 1944?

I.e., I read that romanian units lost 4 Ju87 on the 30th of May [Weal, Stuka units...].

[yogybär]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi!
I./SG 2

30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat

Regards,
Andreas B

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

OK, more summary losses:
III./S.G.2:
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
03.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
05.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat

Hope this is of interest.

Regards,
Andreas B

Hello Andreas,

sorry for requesting your help again...

There is a story about a Stuka being shot down in this timeframe N of Iasi. The pilot was able to bail out, while the Bordfunker died in the crashing plane. But another Stuka landed near the pilot on "the other side" of the frontline and saved the pilot.

Do you maybe know wether one of the above-mentioned Ju87 total losses is connected to "only" a KIA Bordfunker?