Claim for Spitfire near Canterbury 18 August 1940

[Andy Saunders]

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski

I see that you have realised your mistake. Anyway, as far as I know, since 10 August British used BST = GMT + 1 hour while Germans - GST = GMT + 2 hours. This will give Sprick's claim at 11.50 GMT and Gruszka's loss at 13.50 GMT. Add to this one hour for British time and two for German one. Apart of that, I have Sprick claiming Hurricane, and it seems Don Caldwell is correct, attributing it to 17 Sqn losses. Robert is again making fuss, in a typical manner.

Thank you Franek and Robert for your helpful input.

I am just a bit puzzled though, Franek, what it is that Robert is supposed to be making a fuss about?? Sorry. That is totally lost on me. I just asked a question here and didn't intend to start a war!

[robert]

Hi,

I remember seeing a post of German and British time. During some short periods both times were equal. Unfortunately I didn`t save this valuable information`s :-((

Regards

Robert

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by Andy Saunders

Thank you Franek and Robert for your helpful input.

I am just a bit puzzled though, Franek, what it is that Robert is supposed to be making a fuss about?? Sorry. That is totally lost on me. I just asked a question here and didn't intend to start a war!

Andy, certain person is regularly providing partial, untrue or not verified data as confirmed information, it seems to portray himself as a great researcher. Nevermind.
In regard of Gruszka, I recall the story that a wreck of Messerschmitt was found nearby, and that it was linked to accounts of lone Spitfire dog-fighting against Messerschmitts. I am not sure of the time though, as the wreck was not found, so how would they know so precisely? Good old bible mentions 13.30, and this is possibly time up.
If you look for an excuse for the Bader stir you caused, then I believe this is a wrong case, and there are more better ones.

[Andy Saunders]

Franek

Thank you for your input but I have no desire to enter into any confrontation between you and Robert. You have both been equally helpful.

As for your comment:

"If you look for an excuse for the Bader stir you caused, then I believe this is a wrong case, and there are more better ones."

My interest in Gruszka is not in the remotest way connected to Bader. I am not sure how you think it might be? My suggestion that friendly fire might have been involved in the Gruszka case was merely a suggestion that perhaps this was an angle worth examining and in that context I thought that Brian Cull might have some comment to make. In view of his interest in friendly fire I merely wonder if Brian has ever picked up anything, however tenuous, related to this case. However, to the best of my knowledge there is not a shred of evidence to link this to friendly fire although I am aware that local witnesses to the crash have suggested this. The fact that another Spitfire is said to have circled the crash site probably gave rise to this local rumour but, of itself, this reported observation does not prove or indicate anything.

You have jumped to a wholly incorrect conclusion relative to my interest in this incident and your supposition that it is, somehow, linked to my earlier interest in the Bader case.

[Peter Cornwell]

Gentlemen,

Please correct me if I am wrong but my understanding is that British Summer Time (Greenwich Mean Time + 1 hour) took effect on February 25 1940 and as such became the same as Central European Time until German Summer Time (GMT + 2 hours) was introduced on April 1 1940 thereby re-establishing the one hour difference. So, Robert, both British & German times were the same during March 1940.

According to the No.65 Squadron ORB, GRUSZKA went missing from a flight of six aircraft from Rochford (12.50 – 14.00) and therefore would have crashed at Westbere sometime around 13.30 hours. This is at odds with what Andy has got from the MoD but if the time given in the ORB is correct then there are numerous German claims that could relate to his loss. However, if the time given by Casualty Branch is correct then there would seem to be few likely German claims in the right area.