Bodenwöhr Waldwerk - Mtt Bf 109 K-4 assembly lines 1944 - 1945

[masmar]

Hi all,

I'm digging out this old threat again, because i finally managed to get a better scan of the tail section, showing the Bf109K-4 WNr. Have a own look, but I think it's way closer to a "5" than a "6".
Even so it's very interesting. Correct me, but this is the highest WNr known on a K4??? The Bodenwöhr-Cham production line was the last one in business building K4s. This fighter might straight come out of the final assembly in Cham (The workshop was placed on the aisle in the background, but is already removed in the picture) and would consequently be one of the last or perhaps the last Bf109 produced in WWII.

regards
Matthias

[John Beaman]

Forgive me for being stupid Mathias, but since the last 4 digits of the WNr typically appear on the fuselage side, and in this case is 6141, wouldn't make the full number 336141? Am I missing something?

[masmar]

Well of course it would be. If that's a "6141" but for me it's a "5141" on the fuselage as well as on the fin top. It's still hard to say Maybe someone has a picture showing that numbers 6 and 5 as Luftwaffe stencils on another fuselage, so that we could compare.

regards
Matthias

[ouidjat]

Hi there Matthias,

thanks to remember us this old topic. I was a "6141" fan at the beginning but I had to give up... You can check on your better scan that it's not that obvious on fuselage, still; except the full WNr. is stencilled on fin top and we can read a "5"; should I say definitely?

Regards, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi Matthias,

I can only concur with Franck... 335'141 is this time fully legible. Alas! But also most interesting: I do not know of any higher Bf 109 K-4 documented W.Nr.

Thanks for your clearing of this issue

Cheers
Marc

[S Sheflin]

Hi Marc,

I don’t think 335141 is anywhere near the highest 335XXX WNr. extant. In my admittedly limited database file I list:

335170, 335177, 335185, 335197, 335199, 335201, 335204, 335206, 335207, 335208, 335209, 335210 and 335211.

Steve Sheflin

[ouidjat]

Hi there, Hi Steve,

Forgive me to try explaning the situation:
When the picture came on line, some, including me, started to think that we where seing/reading a "6141" (for 336141) which is merely impossible since the last K-4 335xxx production batch for Messerschmitt AG, Regensburg is known to be 335000 to 335300. Until further notice...
When Marc is saying "I do not know of any higher Bf 109 K-4 documented W.Nr." he is speaking about "pictured"... And he is speaking about himself, not for the whole community; well, I suppose, he will correct me if I'm wrong.
Now, Steve, if you have Higher Nbrs than 335141, it's perfectly possible inside The last 335xxx batch I'm talking about.
For example, 335197 & 335198 are cited in Marschall "Sea Eagle" and in Manfred Griehl "The Luftwaffe Profile Series No. 4, Focke Wulf Fw 190" respectively, following Peter van Gogh Data base.

Of course if you have PICTURES of the WNr. you're talking about Marc will be extremely happy to know them! .

Take notice, too, that inside the 335000 to 335300 production line, 335166 to 335215 are given as being produced by KZ Flossenbürg - Vilseck - Amberg/Schafhof production line in the same Data base.

Sorry Steve for that long post, I thought it was good to do it.
Last, I'm not an "expert" of course, others in TOCH are more capable than me to give you all the details.

Regards, Franck.

[Peter D Evans]

Originally Posted by S Sheflin

I don’t think 335141 is anywhere near the highest 335XXX WNr. extant. In my admittedly limited database file I list:

335170, 335177, 335185, 335197, 335199, 335201, 335204, 335206, 335207, 335208, 335209, 335210 and 335211.

As I've posted on a similar thread over on the LEMB here, according to "Messerschmitt Bf109K Camouflage & Markings" by T.Poruba & K.Mol [JaPo, 2000] they listed some 18 WNr's listed higher than 335141, the highest being 335215... however, there may have been some higher ones discovered since their list was compiled...

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Steve, Franck and Peter,

Steve and Peter,
you're of course correct: higher W.Nr. are documented on paper, no doubt (Poruba and Mol 2000).

Franck, you read me out perfectly ;-)) I was meaning "highest W.Nr. supported by photographic evidence." Late hours fpr posting do imply too short messages, like tonight!

Cheers
Marc

[Rémi Baudru]

Two photos of 335197 ? (see number painted on rear fuselage).

These two photos come from an old french ebay auction.

Best regards from France.

RB