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Old 4th March 2013, 20:10
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Re: unknown WNr.
Hello Peter and everyone,

This Motornummer is new to me. It does, however, fall nicely within a series of Henschel F/M, Kassel-built DB605A-1/trops in my files (Hersteller code = hsr). These include:

01104126, 01104293, 01104314, 01104408, 01104515, 01104631, 01104641 (yours), 01104671, 01104777, 01104801, and 01104968.

As has been suggested, this particular model of DB605A was found on Bf109G-6 and Bf109G-14 models.

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Old 4th March 2013, 21:27
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Re: unknown WNr.
Rémi,

You're positive W.Nr. 782164 is a G-6?

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Old 4th March 2013, 22:11
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It is named like that, the last the NO+ is also a G-6 built in late 43, I hv no Wn to add , but the only NOs I found were tested in that period,

Concerning the 782164, Matti, is given "off strength" on a report dated of 30.Sept. in the same report the loss of 782153 is also reported, I supposed that it was lost the same day as the 782153 so the 29.Sept.


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Old 5th March 2013, 02:40
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Merci Rémi!

G-6 in that G-14 W.Nr. range: fact or typo?

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Old 5th March 2013, 09:03
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G-6 in that G-14 W.Nr. range: fact or typo?


I dont know..!
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Old 5th March 2013, 09:30
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Ben nous voilà frais....

Well...and now what? Anybody out there who can shed some light in this G-6 vs G-14 mix-up in the 782 xxx W.Nr. block?

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Old 5th March 2013, 13:26
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ça fait bien 3 mois qu'on est au frais , ça peut encore durer...et revenir

Here a list of the 782xxx, all lost

BF109G-6 782005
BF109G-14 782006
BF109G-6 782011
BF109G-6 782042
BF109G-6 782105
BF109G-6 782134
BF109G-6 782135
BF109G-6 782136
BF109G-6 782136
BF109G-6AS 782139
BF109G-6 782141
BF109G-6 782146
BF109G-6 782149
BF109G-6 782153
BF109G-6 782155
BF109G-6 782161
BF109G-6 782162
BF109G-6 782163
BF109G-6 782164
BF109G-6 782164
BF109G-6 782165
BF109G-6 782166
BF109G 782167
BF109G-6 782168
BF109G-6 782169
BF109G-6 782170
BF109G-6 782174
BF109G-6 782178
BF109G-6 782180
BF109G-6 782181
BF109G-6 782181
BF109G-6 782183
BF109G 782186
BF109G-6 782187
BF109G-6 782190
BF109G-6 782192
BF109G-6 782193
BF109G-6 782204
BF109G-6 782210
BF109G-14 782216
BF109G-6 782218
BF109G-6 782225
BF109G-6 782233
BF109G-6 782234
BF109G-6 782249
BF109G-6 782253
BF109G-6 782262
BF109G-14AS 782270
BF109G-14/AS 782287
BF109G-14ASM 782288
BF109G-14AS 782290
BF109G-14 782291
BF109G-14AS 782292
BF109G 782294
BF109G-6AS 782295
BF109G-6 782296
BF109G-14 782299
BF109G-14ASM 782300
BF109G-14/AS 782301
BF109G-14/AS 782302
BF109G-6 782303
BF109G-14 782304
BF109G-14/AS 782306
BF109G-14 782311
BF109G-14AS 782314
BF109G-14 782315
BF109G-6AS 782319
BF109G-14AS 782322
BF109G-14ASM 782323
BF109G-14AS 782324
BF109G-14AS 782329
BF109G-14AS 782330
BF109G-14 782335
BF109G-14AS 782336
BF109G-14AS 782337
BF109G-14/AS 782338
BF109G-6AS 782340
BF109G-6AS 782342
BF109G-6AS 782344
BF109G-14/AS 782346
BF109G-6AS 782347
BF109G-14 782348
BF109G-14AS 782349
BF109G-14AS 782350
BF109G-14AS 782353
BF109G-14 782354
BF109G-14ASM 782354
BF109G-6AS 782357
BF109G-6 782360
BF109G-14AS 782361
BF109G-14AS 782363
BF109G-14AS 782366
BF109G-14AS 782372
BF109G-14AS 782374
BF109G-14 782376
BF109G-6AS 782377
BF109G-14/AS 782380
BF109G-14 782381
BF109G-14 782381
BF109G-14ASM 782381
BF109G-6AS 782382
BF109G-14 782383
BF109G-14AS 782387
BF109G-14 ASM 782389
BF109G-14 782391
BF109G-14AS 782391
BF109G-14/AS 782393
BF109G-14/AS 782399
BF109G-14AS 782402
BF109G-14 782403
BF109G-14AS 782405
BF109G-14ASM 782406
BF109G-14 782407
BF109G-14ASM 782411
BF109G-14ASM 782413
BF109G-10 782422
BF109G-14 782422
BF109G-14 782425
BF109G-14AS 782426
BF109G-14AS 782429
BF109G-14AS 782430
BF109G-14 782474
BF109G-6 782690
BF109G-14 782731
BF109G-14AS 782752
BF109G-14 782753
BF109G-14AS 782756
BF109G-14 782758
BF109G-14AS 782760
BF109G-14 782765
BF109G-14AS 782765
BF109G-14 782768
BF109G-14 782771
BF109G-14 782775
BF109G-14 782779
BF109G-14 782780
BF109G-14 782781
BF109G-14 782845
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Old 5th March 2013, 16:35
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Re: unknown WNr.
Mille mercis, Rémi! Voilà un sérieux coup de froid sur mes certitudes...

Many many thanks Rémi! Much appreciated even if your data has a chilling effect!

Sifting through your data, I'm really amazed by the sheer numbers of Bf 109 G-6: starting with W.Nr. 782005 up to 782262, out of the 47 documented planes, you have only...two Bf 109 G-14! Wow! And i thought this serie was 100% G-14...

Thus the well-known W.Nr. 782192 is in fact a G-6... The same of 782249...alas
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625414158747
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625414158747

Will there be ever a respite for the folks trying to figure out the arcane of late war Bf 109 studies?
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Re: unknown WNr.
AH I warned you off Marc!..
We are far from simple Schmoll list.
In the upper lost (extract) list given by Rémi we can even find 782422 which is registered once as a G-14, once as a G-10!!

But what is less understandable is why in four or five following WNr. we can have a G-6/AS, then a G-14 then a G-14/AS then a G-14/ASM and so on...
What reasons prevailed, who decided such a mess? Lack of components from one plane to another one?
Was it like a store at unit level if not at pilots will?

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Old 5th March 2013, 17:43
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Re: unknown WNr.
Guys, to bit confuse your discussion with very nice info.
My friend told me that on the location was found this, see attachment, piece of metal, with number 782159.
any idea if this is a Wnr? there was no plate with WNr found on the engine or crash site.

another question is : are there any details what happened to Bf 109 G-6 410731?
Thanks

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