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Ot kolhoznika Koneva
Greetings all,
I guess that most of you know this inscription on famous fighter plane flown by I.N. Kozedub. I hear that Konev was real person and that he really buy this aircraft for Kozedub. Question- If this is true (above mentioned), how it is possible in Soviet model of economy and industry somebody could have that much of money and buy and airplane? In West- this would sound normal... Sorry if the question is... stupid or what else. Cheers )
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Re: Ot kolhoznika Koneva
Not only small planes, like the La-5, but big bombers, like the A-20G have been bought by her own crews. Many 'private' planes were flown by the 5th Air Army, 452nd, 453rd BAPs. These were usually from the 43-216XX series. Some crews died on their own planes, like the Lt. Victor Kuzmich Starikov crew on December 12, 1945 at Vecses, Hungary in their 43-21679 (453rd BAP)
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Re: Ot kolhoznika Koneva
The question put is not at all stupid, but the situation can not be compared to that in a Western economy. After the Battle of Stalingrad the Soviet authorithies wanted to support all sorts of patriotic movements. After a number of - more or less spontaneous - appeals by individual and collective (personnel of various factories, kolkhozes, trade unions etc) to donate money to the State Defence Committee, some letters were published in Pravda (iuncluding even grateful anwers by Stalin himself), the matter virtually turned into an avalanche! Symbolic price tags were put on various weapon systems (bombers, fighters, tanks, cannonns etc), and lists of donations filled the pages of Pravda, Izvestiya etc from 1943. The donators were allowed to have patriotic slogans of their own painted of the aircraft, and weere invited to the hand-over ceremonies.
Naturaly the communist regime utilized the situation in order to drain the country of surplus circulating money (there were far more roubles around than goods available for coinsumption). Especially in some parts of the country there were still really rich people (including some Kolkhoze farmers), who may well have been able to donate the real cost of an aircraft. Even the Orthodox church participated, donating money for "purchase" of tank units named "Aleksandr Nevsky" and "Dmitriy Donskoj", and also various types of aircraft, which were then appropriately blesses by Orthodox Bishops. It estimated that far over 1.000 aircraft were donated in this way, and apparently also several hundred tanks. In the 1980s special literature on this topic started to appear in the USSR, and today it is a popular theme in aviation history journals. |
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Re: Ot kolhoznika Koneva
Srecko - if You are interested, I have a long list of some "named" regiments, squadons and individual aircrafts.
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Re: Ot kolhoznika Koneva
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HGabor, Carl-Fredrik Geust and Evgeny Velichko- thank you very much
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Re: Ot kolhoznika Koneva
I am sorry, the date was of course December 12, 1944, not 1945.
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LaGG-3 series 66, from Tbilisi Aircraft Factory. "Советская Грузия" - "Soviet Georgia". 1 squadron went to 88 iap in march 1943.
La-5, 240 iap. This a/c was used by two great aces - Kozhedub and Yevstigneev. Quote:
Эскадрилья "Валерий Чкалов", (La-5.), Эскадрилья "Валерий Чкалов", (IL-2.) "Valery Tchkalov" squadron of La-5 first series was built at 21th A/c factory. First 17 La-5's with "Валерий Чкалов" slogan went to 4 giap VVS KBF. Next 14 La-5's went to 193 iap. Next 15 La-5's went to 88 giap. Next 10 La-5's went to 254 iap. Two La-5 went to 137 iap and 21 iap. Some La-5's with "Валерий Чкалов" slogan were with 240 iap, 12 giap and 111 giap.
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Yak-1B of Maj Yeremin, HSU, ace with 8 + 15 shared air victories. 2nd a/c from F.Golovaty to Maj Yeremin Quote:
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Evgeny- impressive info and images!!! And accompanied story are great! Thank you very much
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Re: Ot kolhoznika Koneva
Ferapont Golovatyj was an initiator of this movement. According the official history he wrote the letter to Stalin where he suggested 100000 rubel for the new fighter. In this letter he described himself as wealthy kolhoznik. He was a beemaster and wikipedia claims he collect 200 kg honey in 1942, price 500-900 rubel/kg
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