Ju 88 Force landed in Scotland

[Colin Osborne]

Heres a slightly different view of this aircraft. Source Google search for Ju88A-5 some time ago.

Colin

[Knut Larsson]

Hi Ed

I always read your posts with great interests. Keep postings

Greetings from Norwegen
Knut

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by Clint Mitchell

He's pathetic Matti. Does it really matter how a designation is written on a public forum? We all know what it refers to no matter what way it's written. Troll springs to mind. The whole purpose of no gaps is so the forum search functions can work effectively.

Clint if you are referring to Ed North, be careful. He is a highly respected poster regarding Ju-88 matters, Your language characterizing him as you do is not acceptable on this forum. Keep to the facts. Not personal labels.

[Clint Mitchell]

But it's alright for him to continually snipe. I'm not interested how respected he might be, it doesn't give him the right to snipe at me. If you don't like the language used I suggest you read up on what it means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

It's a classic term for people like Ed North.

[Chris Goss]

I am sorry but I must agree with John. In all my dealings with Ed, I have found him more than helpful & the opposite to what has been stated

[Clint Mitchell]

Chris, with all due respect you do not know the full story.

[John Vasco]

Originally Posted by edNorth

*There is good online references on how German RLM Aircraft Designations were written.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RLM_air...gnation_system

Regards
Ed

Interesting, Ed. But with what I have been involved with for over 30 years, and what I have found, it doesn't seem to be quite so rigid as Wikipedia states.

For example, if you've got the Petrick/Mankau book, take a look at page 162. Therein is a copy of an official document with the heading 'Me 110 Modell'. Yep, that's right, notwithstanding the 'Bf' designation to the 110, the company on this document call it the Me 110.

Now we know the 210 should be the Me 210, because of the change regarding the company name, etc.. Right? All down the line (that's not a cue for a blues song - read on!) to unit level? Wrong. Karl-Fritz Schröder, at various times with Erpr. Gr. 210, SKG 210, ZG 1 & KG 40, spent time with the Erprobungsstaffel 210 with his normal pilot Wolf Meyer-Erlach between December 1941 and March 1942. Flight testing the Messerschmitt 210. But all his Flugbuch entries show the designation 'Bf 210'! (Page 155 of my 'Sting of the Luftwaffe').

70-odd years later we are wringing our hands over such things, when in reality, at the time, they didn't give a toss...

One thing I've learned over that long period of time I mentioned earlier is: expect the unexpected. And don't get too upset or excited if things pop out at you from 'left field' (as I understand the Americans say).

Hope this helps.

[chuckschmitz]

Its' getting a little ugly here. Seen it on other forums, hope it doesn't continue here. Now back to Luftwaffe history (hopefully?).

Chuck

[edNorth]

Ok. Thanks all. I did not expect this outburst and have no intent of comment further. I have ever so often given small info or corrected small things here, I can not see the intentional "snide" or Trolling in my postings. Maybe my English is no good after all.

John Vasco: Yes, there are these interesting exceptions that seem kill all established theories, but most often these are errors - printed company documents or not - perhaps that employee that wrote it up knew no better - was he perhaps fired for doing so? - often some clerk or employee changes things for secifiic purpose - purpose we do not know about - i.e. that may not be obvious to the newcomer or those that can not distingush between what is supposably correct or not correct.

I said "good" reference but not extremely good, notably correct or such. Maybe there is better referance out there. And lets not forget: Wikipedia has authors (althou it often appears authorless), just as we all are (or think we are) but then experts step in and correct (werever we like it or not) but then we probably do not know either, if there is still more experts out there ...

As this is my 1000th "post" (answer) one might throw in a jucy one.
One author was once given a list of German aircraft codes where the maker of that list had reversed the last two letters of the unit code so his computer could sort them correct (in alphabetical order). Needless to say they were copied just like that into that given-to-authors manuscript and printed that way.

[John Vasco]

Ed,
They are more than 'interesting exceptions', and not necessarily errors. Whereas nowadays we seek to be hard and fast about things, that was not the case at all at the time.

I have always used 'Bf' when referring to the 109 or 110, but I would not go so far as to insist that that was how official records of the time referenced them.

It's all interesting stuff in the field of research...