Fuhrer Kurier Staffel

[Chris Goss]

Of interest, Bornschein was St Kap of Führerkurierstaffel from 27 May 43 to give an idea of times

[Larry deZeng]

Originally Posted by O.Menu

Hi Larry,

Do you mean He 162 or Me 262 ?

Me 262. A regrettable typo on my part. Jurleit on page 116 says:

Führerkurierstaffel
Staffelkapitän Hptm. Talk
Die Staffel lag mit Me 262 in Neuburg/Donau und sollte nach Fertigstellung einer Start- und Landebahn auf einem Autobahnabschnitt der Autobahn München-Augsburg bei Lechhausen verlegen. Ab 15.2.45 wurden 7 Flugzeugführer unter Oblt. Hofrichter dem Funkoffizier der Staffel zur Serieneinfliegerei bei Messerschmitt Neuburg kommandiert. Über das weitere Schicksal der Staffel ist nichts bekannt.

[Nick Hector]

Guys,

I encourage you to consider the altitudes of some of these claims:

16.08.44 Oblt. Klenk Jasta: i.Führer-Kür.St. Pe-2 £ 15 N/US-3.8: at 8.000 m. 10.14 Film C. 2035/II Anerk: Nr. –

28.08.44 Oblt. Gotthold Jasta: Führer-Kurier St. Boston III £ SD 94/25 O.N.: at 8.000 m. 10.20 Film C. 2035/II Anerk: Nr. 4

05.09.44 Ofw. W. Schmitz Jasta: i.Führer-Kür.St. Pe-2 £ UB-74/25 O.N. 6.200 m. 11.25 Film C. 2035/II Anerk: Nr. 5

28.10.44 Ofw. Wolkenstein Jasta: i.Führer-Kür.St. Pe-2 £ 25 N/SD-8.2: at 6.000 m. 13.45 Film C. 2032/I Anerk: Nr. -

You see that they are around the 6000-8000m mark. Having devoted myself to matching allied and soviet losses to German claims (see my posts elsewhere on this great forum) I hazard a guess that these were photo reconnaissance aircraft as opposed to bombers (which normally operated around the 3000-3500m mark on the Eastern Front). Ipso facto, I surmise that one of the unit's jobs was intercepting incursions by photo-recce aircraft. I know what a weak argument that is, but I put it out there as food-for-thought.

Nick

[Larry deZeng]

Here is the origin of the Kurierstaffel des Führers > Verbindungsstaffel 7 confusion and mix up. Günther Ott is such a distinguished and respected expert and author on the Luftwaffe that I never thought to double-check his statement.

OTT, Günther. “ ‘Unternehmen Reichskanzlei’ - 2. Teil des Reports über die Transportflüge von und nach Berlin im April 1945.” In: Jet & Prop Heft 4/1995, pages 43.50.

On page 44 the author states:

F.d.F. = Fliegerstaffel des Führers

“Am nächsten Tage began es auch in Gatow brenzlig zu werden, als sich von Norden her sowjetische Truppen dem Flugplatzgelände zu nähern begannen. Am späten Abend des 24. April flogen die ersten Maschinen der F.d.F. von dort ab. Offensichtlich war man in Gatow jedoch knapp an Flugzeugführern, den um 20:00 Uhr war Major Lissau von Rechlin nach Gatow gestartet, wo er um 21:00 Uhr eintraf; neben einem Oberfeldwebel hatte er auch Hptm. Paul Talk an Bord. Dieser war Chef der Verbindungsstaffel 7,der zur F.d.F. gehörigen ehemaligen Führerkurierstaffel, die im März 1944 umbenannt worden war.”

[Translation so our moderators don’t throw a fit and have to be taken to the hospital : “The next day it began to get dicey in Gatow when Soviet troops began to approach the airfield from the north. In the late evening of April 24, the first machines of FdF flew from there (Gatow). Obviously, however, there was a shortage of pilots in Gatow, so at 20:00 Major Lissau took off from Rechlin to Gatow, where he arrived at 21:00; besides an Oberfeldwebel, he had Capt. Paul Talk on board. This was the head of Verbindungsstaffel 7 of the FdF, that was the former Führerkurierstaffel, which had been renamed in March 1944.”]

[John Beaman]

Good post, Larry, and great to post the original text and the translation.

Nick and I do post fits over things like entire posts in a language, not related to an original document.

Our job is to keep you guys honest.

[hanshauprich]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

Of interest, Bornschein was St Kap of Führerkurierstaffel from 27 May 43 to give an idea of times

Hello,
Hptm. Bornschein and his Crew (Bordfunker, Bordschütze) where shoot down by the tailgunner from the Lancaster they attack. Crashed at Schweinfurt near by an Flakstellung. I have Fotos from him and the Ju 88C he fly. It looks like, that the plane has no Radar and he fight a kind of personnel war!!
Bornschein was burried at his hometown in Eastgermany.
h.

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by John Beaman

Good post, Larry, and great to post the original text and the translation.

Nick and I do post fits over things like entire posts in a language, not related to an original document.

Our job is to keep you guys honest.

Erm... I am confused now... Does that mean you and I have been good, bad or dishonest, John? LOL

Nick

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by Nick Hector

Erm... I am confused now... Does that mean you and I have been good, bad or dishonest, John? LOL

Nick

Nick, An American idiom probably used badly on my part. No problems with your post(s). What we have to watch is posts in non-English not related to an original document in original language. While we appreciate that some members have a limited command of English, it seems that the vast majority make posts that are understandable and OK. We do not seek perfection!