27/08/43:JG2,JG26 losses and allied claims

[Frans A]

Laurant,
That is correct. Was a typing error. Sorry!
Frans A

[zorglub]

Hello ,

Fw. German Elflein was shot down by return fire from 322nd BG Marauders after an aborted mission on Rouen . In 2013 we have found remains of his Fw190 A-6 # 550175 at Froberville near Fecamp .

Lt Wilhelm Godt was shot down by the Spitfire escort at Notre Dame de Gravenchon .

[focusfocus]

Hi

Following my research on this day:
According to Caldwell:
Hptm Ebersberger 8/JG26 one spit Arras,but in T.Wood(microfilms),4/JG26 one spit St.Pol.....different place!different staffel!

What is the right version?

Hptm.Hohagen Stab/I/JG2,one B-17 (19.50) Reims.....Reims??:is not there an error? according T.Wood.

michel

[Rottler]

Hello Michel,

in JFV Vol. 10/IV the following confirmed victories are listed:

Page 444
27.08.43 Stab I./JG 2 Hptm Erich Hohagen B-17 (39.) 19.50 Pleunier, 5.500 m.

Page 578
27.08.43 Hptm Kurt Ebersberger 8./JG 26 Spitfire (30.) 19.50 5 km nordwestlich Dünkirchen, 6.000 m.

Following the Germann fighter losses on 27 August 1943 according to JFV Vol. 10/IV:

Stab JG 2
N.N. Hindernisberührung, Landung, Poix, 10% Fw 190 A-6 530392

I./JG 2
2./JG 2 Fw German Elflein † Luftkampf, Absturz Ypreville Raum Duclair, 100% Fw 190 A-6 530175 (diverging Gen.Qu. loss report from 1 Sep 1943 and addition from 24 Sep 1943: WNr. 550175, name Hermann Elflein)

II./JG 2
N.N. Motorschaden, Bauchlandung, Cambrai, 30% Bf 109 G-6 15916
NN. Spritmangel, Notlandung, Merville, 35% Bf 109 G-6 18823

III./JG 2
10./JG 2 Lt Wilhelm Godt † Luftkampf 4-mot., Absturz Gravenchon zwischen 09.20 und 09.30 Uhr, 100%
Fw 190 A-6 530137
10./JG 2 N.N. Landeunfall Montdidier, 25% Fw 190 A-6 550435

II./JG 26
5./JG 26 Uffz Heinrich Krieg † Luftkampf Bomber und Jäger, Absturz 1,5 -2 km südwestlich St. Venant, 100% Fw 190 A-4 2379 schwarze 5

11./JG 26
N.N. Motorstörung, Notlandung Lens, 70% Bf 109 G-3 16263 rote 9.

Regards
Leo

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Hello,

The Luftwaffe summary aircraft losses is a Luftwaffe document that has been put online by Andreas Brekken and co (thanks to you).

URL is http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_summ_los...iew.asp?PAGE=1

This is the public access giving access to the summary of losses. All JG units are covered and some extra units, but most KG and TG units have not been entered in the database. The source covers 1944 and is especially useful for this year.

As for 27 August 1943, I would say we are missing a I./JG 26 loss:
I./J.G.26: 2 destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy (reported on 31/08/1943)
I./J.G.26: 1 destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy (reported on 11/09/1943)

Next step would be to check GQM loss lists for 31 August and 11 September 1943. Either the above is true and a third loss was added on 11 September, or it is a typo, or a correction that has been wrongly entered as an addition.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Laurent

I have Andreas home page registered, but I cannot see how one can get from there to these lists. Anyway I have now added them separately so I can locate these pages again.

Cheers
Stig

[Rottler]

Hello Stig and Laurent,

in the Gen.Qu. loss reports are listed:

Report from 31 August 1943 no. 19
27.8. I./JG 26 Feindflug Ort: St. Nicola, Ursache: Absturz infolge Bordwaffenbeschuß, Aufschlagbrand (F unverletzt, Feindbeobachtet) Fw 190 A-5 2532 100%

Report from 31 August 1943 no. 18
27.8. I./JG 26 Feindflug Ort: bei Nieuport, Ursache: Absturz infolge Bordwaffenbeschuß, Aufschlagbrand (F unverletzt, Feindbeobachtet) Fw 190 A-5 250 100%

Report from 11 September 1943 no. 24
27.8. I./JG 26 Feindflug Ort: bei Ostende, Ursache: Absturz nach Luftkampf (F unverletzt, Feindbeobachtet) Fw 190 A-5 410250 100%

The entries of the 250 and 410250 obviously cover the same aircraft, so on 27 August 1943 the I./JG 26 has lost two Fw 190 A-5. The entry in JFV Vol. 10/III is correct.

Regards
Leo

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Leo

Seems quite likely indeed

Cheers
Stig

[focusfocus]

Great Leo informations ,Thanks (and the others!)

So I resume:5 losses by gunfire from enemy aircraft

Just a question:the Fw.190 (2542) 3/JG26 lost St Nicolas;is it st Nicolas near Dunkerque or St Nicolas near Lens?
An idea?

Best Regards
Michel

[Rottler]

Hi Michel,

St. Nicolas near Dunkerque. The I./JG 26 was ordered to the area Dunkerque encountering escort fighters of a B-17 formation.
The Werknummer of the Fw 190 A-5 was either 2532 (Gen.Qu. loss report from 31 Aug 1943) or 2542 (JFV Vol. 10/III page 97).

Regards
Leo