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Old 6th January 2008, 18:13
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Re: EZ 42 in FW 190

Thanks for all the new info. guys!

How many JG300 aircraft had it installed? One, two, a dozen???

I never doubted that the EZ42 was intended to be installed in the 109 along with all the late model fighters. The Germans had "intended" alot of things that never materialized, like production figures up thru 1946.

Other than testing, I have never seen a pic, pilot report or documentation that shows a 109 was delivered with the EZ42 installed. Every pic of a "K" that I've seen has a 16B in it. I'll have to double check, but I don't believe the K-4 manual even mentions the EZ42. It only shows the 16B.
I find it odd that there aren't any 109 pilots that report using the EZ42 or any paper work showing 109's delivered with it.

Look at all of the 262 pics that are out there, I've only seen one pic with an EZ42 installed (testing) and we have pilot reports to backup that they were actually used.

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Old 6th January 2008, 19:39
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Re: EZ 42 in FW 190

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The line of sight of the EZ42 will be 12mm higher and 20mm to the right of the fuselage center line.
Hmm, this won't do much to help the pilot's view forward and down along the cowling.
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Re: EZ 42 in FW 190

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Look at all of the 262 pics that are out there, I've only seen one pic with an EZ42 installed (testing) and we have pilot reports to backup that they were actually used.

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Here on LEMB you will see an EZ42 inside one of the JG7 Me 262 at Fassberg, even if it is in the post about "black X" it was actually inside "white5":
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...p?showtopic=17
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Old 6th January 2008, 21:00
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Re: EZ 42 in FW 190

In the well documented "Heinkel He 162...Last-Ditch effort by the Luftwaffe" from Peter Müller it is said:

p150: that M-30 and M-31 fitted with the EZ 42 are though to have been part of the nine pre-production airplanes transferred to JG1.

p222: repro from an original document dated 24.2.1945 explain that cause of Dresde attacks EZ42 is not possible to install on He162 for some month.
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Old 6th January 2008, 21:53
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Re: EZ 42 in FW 190

Mike, from the same source as above in No.20. I found the following regarding JG/300 and EZ 42. The first one is dated 11.11.44., the second 2.12.44.

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Old 7th January 2008, 01:06
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Re: EZ 42 in FW 190

Excellent pics & info.! Thanks everyone!
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Old 7th January 2008, 02:21
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Re: EZ 42 in FW 190

Just for idle information: II/JG 300 had 5 EZ 40s installed in their Fw 190s during mid-August 1944. Lt. Brettschneider, SK of 5./JG 300; and Uffz. Schroeder of 5./JG 300 had two of these.

Any idea what the difference is between the EZ 40 and EZ 42? I know that the EZ 40 was the prototype and the EZ 42 the series version. Anything else?

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Old 7th January 2008, 11:18
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Re: EZ 42 in FW 190

Hello Andreas,

To come back to your initial post: would it be possible to show us this document? I think it contains a lot of interesting and relevant information to this thread.

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Hi

I believe there has been some discussion with regards to the number of aircraft equipped with these.

I have come across listings of which aircraft types where produced with breakdown to subtypes for the Bf 109 and FW 190 for 1945, where these numbers are mentioned (subtype given as D9 EZ 42)

The listings also include all production numbers by month from January 1944 through March 1945 (last one dated in April 1945). In a lot of cases specific information on number of aircraft delivered to a given unit is mentioned. I do not know if these are of interest to anyone?


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Re: EZ 42 in FW 190

Hello George,

The EZ40 had the gyros attached directly to the gunsight head (the mirror was directly attached to the gyros) while the EZ42 had two separate gyros installed in the fuselage. Electric impulses governed the mirror in the EZ42.

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Old 7th January 2008, 18:57
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Thanks for that, Roger.
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