Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum

[eknutson]

The two vertical stiffners abowe the compas hatch, and this hatch at the bottom. Not seen on any other airframe as we know. camera Equipent removed befor delivery to Jg5

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[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Merlin

The aircraft was ferried on 20.02.43 from Deurne (where the repair was performed by Erla) to Vaerlöse (which acted as a Flugzeugschleuse for aircraft intended for JG 5).

There was no time left for any modification to a reconnaissance aircraft or for MK108 evaluation.

to correct the information from Merlin:
The mentioned list of flights from Überführungskommando/Lzg Belgien-Nordfrankreich is an weekly report and not mentioned the dates of ferry. The W.Nr.14055 is mentioned in the "week" from 01.03 - 10.03.1943. So it's more probable the a/c was ferried in this time frame and not on 20.02.43.

In all probability the a/c was transported after the crash from 30.07.1942 directly to Antwerpen (an repairshop in Belgium not France) because the so-called "Durchlaufzeit" from 5-6 months for such an great degree of damage was normal.

To use F4 parts during the repair isn't surprising. At this time (the end of 1942) Erla VII repaired in first line Bf 109E/F and some G-1/2. Of course they had stored a lot F4-parts and they used it.

Greetings
Rasmussen

[harrison987]

No too concerned about the stiffeners...this was common practice done to aircraft that were upgraded or were going through repairs. This 109 has them affixed randomly throughout. See first photo. This was done to give extra strength and support to the fuselage in general.

Galland's Me109 F4/U had alot of changes and upgrades, as well as TWO access hatches on the left side. This was because he added two MG151 INSIDE the wings (not as gondolas), as well as two MG131 above the engine. These two extra hatches were added to access the necessary "extra" equipment that was required for these new upgrades, as well keep easy access to the MW50 tank. The same was done to his upgraded E model (see 2nd photo).

As aircraft went to repair facilities (and even at factory), much of the equipment was upgraded internally. For example, at factory, ALL aircraft had the complete electrical system installed for wing gondolas as well as gun camera - even when none were intended.

I suspect the reason for finding the MK108 electrical box was due to the fact that as the MK108 was starting to show itself, repair facilities were already upgrading Me109's to the new standard...adding the newer weapons, as well as the electrical systems to support them. Though the MK108 was never installed on your bird, systems to "support" the Mk108 were.

[eknutson]

I agree Rasmussen, as in Mombeeks Jg5 volume 2, Jg5 recived som G2,s in March 1943

And on the LRG forum i recived this information today ( together with the fotos) from Mr Jochen Prien, confirming the aircraft as 14055 by the Wrk.Nr number 3, and the upper ving camo ( wavy pattern on desert camo)
At last after 28 years.

I trust you have seen the three photos of "White 3" in Service with 1./JG5 in JFV 10/III, p 331/332, showing a lot of interesting technical details of this ex-Bf109G-1 such as the cabin being void of any pressurisation equipment, the lack of the air intake on the port engine cowl and the wings with bumps on the upper surface to accommodate the upper part main wheel. The WerkNr. is clearly visible in one photo.

[eknutson]

Now that we know this airframe of 14055 has been reassembled by Erla in anterpen, is there any singn to look for at parts ( stamps - letters - codes etc that is related to Erla ? We have this 388 and similar codes on the landing gears, conected to upgrades done by Erla ?

Ernst

[eknutson]

This gives 14055 NI+BY lifspan:


Thanks for your confirmation Matti. This is the real identity of our airframe.
BF109 G1 W.Nr 14055. Built by Messerschmitt AG, Regensburg. Date March 1942, in block 14039-14063. Stkz found in LMBD database says NI + BY

Deliverd directly to 11(H)Jg26 ?

Crashed 1942-07-30, 11.(H)Jg26, Bf 109G-1, 14055, Fl.Pl. Audembert, Notlandung infolge Feindbeschuß. Bruch 70 %.

I found trough serch on circus 200, an all the ramrods conected to it, that the Belgian 350sqd had claimed 2 Me109 this day. 3 pilot`s had damaged the airframe, bout none had followed it to the crash at Auden bert.

Du Monceau de Bergendael with his spitfire VB sn EN794 code MN-X "USOKE" was the first to get hits on 14055, had to brake of, but saw later an acrcraft decending on the route to Audenbert.

SGT Jean Ester with his spitfire VB sn EN796 code MN-D "STANLEY"
Damaged 14055 so the engine stops, he also have to brake off due to other aircrafts.

P/O Henri.E Marchal. with Spitfire VB sn BM176 code MN-M "YAUNDE" Last to hit 14055 with both canon and mg, engine was not running and on desend towards France from near mid channel.


The aircraft was ferried on 20.02.43 from Deurne (where the repair was performed by Erla) to Vaerlöse (which acted as a Flugzeugschleuse for aircraft intended for JG 5).

and during transfer the engine was changed in Stade because of engine failure (the repair ended on 23.03.1943 and the a/c was flown to Vaerloese).


Rebuilt to G2 standard in a repairshopp in France ? Is there any info were JG2 sendt the damaged plane to.

Rebuilt by merging G1 with F4 trop airframe? we have a lot of parts / numbers sugesting this teory. Even the engine trottle linkage on the firewall ( 3 different positions ) our was bolted in the upper one saying E motor ( 601E for F4 )

New info from Remi and EdNorth from a flugbuch entry.
Dr.ing Christian Dietrich from E-stelle rechlin.
Flug nr 4793? 9.5.43 52min at Oranienburg 15.12 - 16.04 Me109 16600m
Prepairing for high altitude reco duties as a G2?


Ended in the northsee serving with 1/JG5
1943-07-07, 1./JG 5, Bf 109G-2, 14055, 3 weiße, Südwestlich Egersund, 90 km südwestlich Stavanger, Luftkampf mit Hampden. Bruch 100 %.

Causing the plane to crash was: RAAF 455 SQD
SN P.5302 UB - S
Crew S/Ldr B.R.D.O CONNOR (P)
F/O R.N LINDEMAN (N)
P/O C.H WALTERS (W/AG)
F/Sgt COLLINS (W/AG)
Off on Rover patrol 7.7.42 Kl 16.20 Engaged by 2 enemy aircraft Kl 18.50, reported by tail gunner. 1 aircraft hit by gunner and brok off, 2nd attacked 5 times befor braking off. Safe home after taking " violent evastive action" to get away from the enemy.

So now we hope people have picture / information on thees Aircrafts / happenings.
First we whould like to know the history off the G1 airframe in France.

This is the spesial feature with this airframe - for camera installation ?

[RolandF]

Ernst,
if you´re looking for the precise location of the production of WNr 14055 it´s Messerschmitt Regensburg-Prüfening in contrary to the late-war production site Mtt Regensburg-Obertraubling.
Here´s a website
http://www.regensburger-tagebuch.de/...rg-teil-1.html
and the administration building and a hangar are still standing and are used until today:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OI2fM9Thi-...ot-1510285.jpg

Regards
RolandF